Wrong Analysis: Technically Impossible Dial

Oct 12, 2013,20:11 PM
 

It is not possible that Patek will launch such a dial on a chronograph.


The arc at 6 o'clock does not correspond to the proper time interval which will make a minute longer then 60 seconds i.e., traveling a longer distance (and obviously the second hand will not travel this weird arc).

Hence, it is not possible to be the exact dial design Patek will release. On a personal note, I do not like the arc to begin with, but I wish the 5270 will have a tach counter.


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A limited edition 5270G

 
 By: Ken Lo : October 10th, 2013-06:56
Just curious if anyone knows anything about a 50 piece only limited edition of 5270G? The complete reference number is 5270G-015, and it is supposed to come with a different dial. What is the cause of this celebrated creation? And how do you like it compa...  

Now you've got me very

 
 By: CFG : October 10th, 2013-08:23
CURIOUS! Hopefully someone chimes in soon!

That picture looks so off to me..

 
 By: bulliondesk : October 10th, 2013-09:22
Look at the tach below the 19 17 15.. I am thinking it's a fake.

Tachy+blue font+Wg hands and index....

 
 By: Fricks : October 10th, 2013-09:46
... Thats the difference, but not sure what to think about it, if of course its true info

I am not sure what to make of this either...

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : October 10th, 2013-09:55
.....and haven't been able to get hold of any reliable source yet.... I will say that i like the special edition more!

May I ask ...

 
 By: small-luxury-world : October 10th, 2013-10:01
from where you have the picture and info? I am not aware of this version. Oliver

Trust me this is real!

 
 By: Ken Lo : October 10th, 2013-13:59
This special edition piece is offered to me by my authorized dealer in Germany. I was told that this is part of a Patek exhibition held in Munich and apart from many Patek clocks and pocket watches there are a few limited edition watches, and this 5270G-0... 

you just saw a photo?

 
 By: Fricks : October 10th, 2013-14:45
If i may, its quite risky to swap your 5270G for this one, just based on this pics. The texture of the dial seems different. The final decision will be based on how much am i ready to put on top of my 5270G. Even though it looks nice, if there is too much... 

INTRIGUING.

 
 By: CFG : October 10th, 2013-15:22
Well now you have my full attention, I want to see live pics haha. My AD in Seattle is getting in a 5270G in two weeks, I haven't seen it in the metal and am still wearing my 5970G and 3970P. I'm curious if this is available in Germany if it is possible t... 

If there is any chance to take pictures ...

 
 By: small-luxury-world : October 10th, 2013-23:23
next week, I will do it - for sure :-) Stay tuned! Oliver

Will you be there?

 
 By: Ken Lo : October 11th, 2013-00:54
Oliver, will you be at the Patek exhibition in Munich? It would be great if someone can take some life pictures of this special edition.

Someone has to ...

 
 By: small-luxury-world : October 11th, 2013-01:03
do it :-) Seriously, I will be there and try to cover as much as I can. Some PuristS will be there as well. Any more out there would like to join us? Just let me know :-) Oliver

I am calling BS

 
 By: Myopiccoog : October 10th, 2013-10:46
No way it is real

The more I look

 
 By: CFG : October 10th, 2013-10:53
The more I agree. Unless someone can prove wrong I think BS.

There is an embargo ...

 
 By: small-luxury-world : October 11th, 2013-11:29
until next week, but then I will update you all. Stay tuned :-) Oliver

Now....

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : October 12th, 2013-05:22
.....this would have been a big temptation had it been released as a standard rather than special edition. Eagerly awaiting your embargo deadline!!

let's say its true...

 
 By: Fricks : October 12th, 2013-08:02
.... it is very unlikely that Patek makes it a limited edition. Patek never makes limited except for commemoration of an AD or anniversaries. Advanced research are their limited edition only model.

Final Review

 
 By: Myopiccoog : October 12th, 2013-08:38
Bulliondesk and I looked at it next to his 5270G last night. They would have to change the location of the chromos in the movement to get the tach's to fit. They just cant change the dial. Movement alignment doesn't match.

Not sure about that...

 
 By: Georg : October 12th, 2013-09:22
It seems possible to me. I took one picture from here and another from the Patek site and tried to overlay them in Photoshop. As I am not really a Photoshop-expert, the result is not so great, but it seems to me that the positions of the hands, date etc m...  

Georg, that´s cool ...

 
 By: small-luxury-world : October 12th, 2013-10:03
and there is a good reason for the embargo ... :-) Oliver

Nice work

 
 By: Myopiccoog : October 12th, 2013-10:56
Well, that is a better way to do it! Nice work!

You should do it again ...

 
 By: small-luxury-world : October 12th, 2013-10:08
without wine ;-) Just look at Georg´s post :-) Cheers, Oliver

Wrong Analysis: Technically Impossible Dial

 
 By: patekben : October 12th, 2013-20:11
It is not possible that Patek will launch such a dial on a chronograph. The arc at 6 o'clock does not correspond to the proper time interval which will make a minute longer then 60 seconds i.e., traveling a longer distance (and obviously the second hand w... 

I guess...

 
 By: Conkers : October 13th, 2013-19:58
......all will be revealed shortly but the decision to end the 5270G production suits me fine!

That can be easily solved...

 
 By: Ornatus-Mundi : October 14th, 2013-03:56
by adjusting the travel distance between the indices on the 'arc' to result in the proper distance. Magnus

What do you mean?...not possible! It is!

 
 By: tempus : October 14th, 2013-14:14
It took one look to see that the pic of 5270 is Patek. It is original, it will come exactly this way. It is already offered to me. Best regards

Yes, limited to 50 pieces only.

 
 By: Ken Lo : October 14th, 2013-19:06
according to the Patek head office in Germany...

Yes, 50 pieces [nt]

 
 By: tempus : October 15th, 2013-00:59

Will you be ordering one?

 
 By: Ken Lo : October 15th, 2013-02:09
Tempus, I think I am going to order mine. Will you be ordering one as well? Personally, I like it much more than my current 5270G.

I'm not sure...

 
 By: tempus : October 15th, 2013-09:39
I must see it live, maybe...To me it is nicer than the regular production. Regards

Confirmed! And another limited as well

 
 By: Fricks : October 15th, 2013-03:29
its a 50 pcs German limited edition for the Patek corner in Munich. Along with 5130G and R with a new guilloche and munich on the dial. Limited to 25 pcs.

WTF!!

 
 By: bulliondesk : October 15th, 2013-06:51
Why would they "whore" out a Perpetual Chronograph? Okay.. I can understand a 5130..Munich dial.. great.. no sweat. But.. a PERPETUAL CHRONOGRAPH?!?!?! They never made nor would dare to make a LE for the 1518, 2499, 3970 or 5970.. what the hell gives now ... 

Relax :))

 
 By: Fricks : October 15th, 2013-08:03
maybe its just me, but i dont see the big deal about it. About the 1518, 2499, and 3970... Each one had different series, where pushers were round or square, different crowns, different hands. All this is not new at all. Consider it as a 2nd series :) If ... 

Oh boy

 
 By: Myopiccoog : October 15th, 2013-06:56
Every Patek collector should now worry that Patek is no longer protecting the collector. This has been speculated for a couple years. This is a result on over pricing and over producing the 5270G. I own one. It blows my 5970 away. However, I know for a fa... 

Oh Boy! :))

 
 By: Fricks : October 15th, 2013-07:55
You make it sound like Patek will boxe in the hublot category. Just to clarify, AP live on the RO model, is all kind of variations, with all the LE's... but its one model :) Same for hublot, that is trying to diversify more. Patek makes only limited editi... 

Understand your positioning given history

 
 By: Myopiccoog : October 15th, 2013-08:14
However, this is different. This is actually a dump! I know for a fact. They are not making 50 new pieces. They stopped producing the 5270G in Jan ( I talked to the watchmaker for 10 min that is responsible for the piece last summer in Geneva). They are t... 

strangely...

 
 By: Fricks : October 15th, 2013-08:22
... i find this one less attractive. The dial feels "dry" a bit like the 5204P and 5170G. While our 5270G has a brushed texture that plays fantastically with light. AND the oxydized hands and markers, that are really fantastic and contrast very well. Real... 

Am I the only one who thinks the dial just looks completely off..

 
 By: bulliondesk : October 15th, 2013-08:30
First glance I honestly thought this has to be a fake because the dial looks terrible. Look how pushed off the dial is towards the right. Nothing is aligned correctly, it's completely off center. The numbers are completely smushed from 100-225. And the di... 

I like the tach too

 
 By: Myopiccoog : October 15th, 2013-08:40
but like it was stated above it will not be accurate given the dip. They should have faded it out like the 5970. Here is a pic of mine I have been approved for a 5204p and can get it before the end of the year, but now I am now questioning taking it given...  

So true!

 
 By: Fricks : October 15th, 2013-08:49
i totally agree with you. What stroke me the 1st day ( 1st night ) i wore my 5270G, was that in very low light conditions, i could read it perfectly! 2 reasons for that : The texture of the dial "sucked" the little light available.... and the markers and ... 

The 5204 dial is now creame

 
 By: Myopiccoog : October 15th, 2013-09:14
See my pic with it in Geneva! ...  

not my cup of tea....

 
 By: Fricks : October 15th, 2013-09:20
... at all. That color like a fake patina, feels like a vintage wanna be. Then again, some might like, i prefer much more the 1st version. If we talk about 1st series :) its much more appealing

Agree..

 
 By: bulliondesk : October 15th, 2013-09:59
myopiccoog and I sat next to each other when trying it on.. here it is on me. Has anyone actually received a 1st production oxidized version of the 5204? I know a few who have one but with the silver dials and markers. I MUCH prefer the oxidized like the ...  

My guess...

 
 By: Fricks : October 15th, 2013-10:20
... pure speculation based on my info. 1st batch was a around 4-5 pcs that were delivered to the Patek Salon. Now i don't know if all the salons Patek got the 1st version. Maybe Paris and London didn't or just London... we need serious insiders on this on... 

dial change?

 
 By: mjnoumoff : October 15th, 2013-10:03
Since the 5204 is a true application piece (at least at this point), can you have the dial changed before you take delivery? to some contrast colors or whatever you prefer!

It should be possible...

 
 By: Fricks : October 15th, 2013-13:45
... if you have a good relation with them. But i doubt its something standard

About "dumping movements" i don't agree....

 
 By: Fricks : October 15th, 2013-09:15
... there will be a new 5270 in a new metal, next year for the 175th anniversary. Maybe Rg or yellow, or even platinum, i don't know. Especially that the Wg is being discontinued, leaving room for a new metal. But they will need the movements for that new... 

They are not dumping movements

 
 By: Myopiccoog : October 15th, 2013-09:26
They are literally dumping already made 5270G. ADs are not taking what is made to Jan. These watches are sitting in Geneva. They are literally changing the dials on overstock. Has nothing to do with Movements. They can put that movement in any perp calend... 

i see what u mean...

 
 By: Fricks : October 15th, 2013-09:52
... revamping the dial and throwing it as LE's is a smart way. I see the positive side, its good that geneva didn't overflowed their dealers with pieces that will sit in the window of their shops. My dealer told me that he has a few customers that want a ... 

Great news then!

 
 By: Conkers : October 15th, 2013-19:02
If they are taking 50 unsold 5270Gs out of the market and changing the dial to make a LE, then that will make the standard 5270G rarer in the future. This is surely good news for collectors, no? I am not saying I agree with Patek's strategy, but I am tryi... 

Gents, some of you should calm down a bit.

 
 By: small-luxury-world : October 15th, 2013-09:26
We already discuss a piece which still is under embargo and maybe it was a wrong decision by me to keep it running at this time. The embargo was already broken, but not by PuristSPro. It was broken by AD´s and insiders, but I trust they haven´t been aware... 

honestly, it's still under control...

 
 By: Fricks : October 15th, 2013-09:58
... a little "wtf" here or there is ok considering the shock of the news. What matters is that discussions are not degenerating into hate/rage/value/money arguments. We are counting on you for live pics. Can't wait to see it live, even thinking of going t...