Patek Philippe Pocket watches – some of the most known collectors of fine watches …

Dec 15, 2013,14:42 PM
 




… at least started their collections with pocket watches. OK, most of them did it a long time ago. Still we talk quite often about some of them – e.g. James Ward Packard or Henry Graves Jr.. The latter are mainly famous for their lust for Grande Complications, but they also collected “simpler” pieces as long as they were outstanding in precision, beauty and so on.

 

Last weekend I and my family attended an event at an AD. There have been lots of watches and jewelry (!) on display – from several well-known brands.

Only one piece caught my wives attention and trust me I was surprised.





She really liked this “simple” pocket watch, because of its simplicity and mainly because of the execution of the dial.









Pocket watches, we don´t talk a lot about them. Are they still of interest? Are they still collectible? What is more interesting and/or desirable – vintage pieces or current production? …?

 

To start the discussion I will show a small selection of pieces from the PP Museum and from the current production.

 



Almost in the background at display, but still amazing pieces. Four pieces for slightly different tastes – probably.





“Triple Complication” from 1921, movement from Victorin Piguet & Co (Vallée de Joux)





“Dead Second” complication, from 1866





Minute repeater, chronograph, rattrapante …, from 1895, movement from Victorin Piguet & Co (Vallée de Joux)





Chronograph with 30-minutes-counter and Tachymeter scale, from 1913, 1924/27 and 1935. Movement from LeCoultre & Cie. (Geneva / Vallée de Joux)

Sidenote: I love that dial smile





Very big pocket watch with a 34 ½ line movement from Victorin Piguet & Co (Vallée de Joux), from 1900/01

 

“The Raven and the Fox”



Ref. 784, cal. 17-170, 1956/58





Chronometro Gondolo, movement 21´´´, from 1904

Sidenote: Richard, are you looking? I am sure you will love that 24-h indication smile









Minute repeater with independent jumping second …, movement from D. L. Golay (Geneva or Vallée de Joux, from 1864/65 and 1869





Lépine pocket watch with jumping hour, from 1921





Not only is the case made out of platinum, no also the dial.

Sidenote: I love the complication, the simplicity and the dial for several reasons. A wrist watch like this in the current production would be amazing …

 

We all know some of you are “crazy” because of enamel dials and especial when they come with a world timer …



Ref. 605 HU, cal. 17-170, from 1949





Star Caliber 2000 – no need for further introduction (I guess smile )





Short version: Two dials, 21 complications, six patent´s … after nine years of research and development.






Current production pieces are more "humble", at least most of the time, with some exceptions.




The watch from the beginning was Ref. 980 and it looks almost cold at “official” pictures.





It is anything but not cold if you look closer …





Also we have in production …





Ref. 972 and 973

 

More sophisticated/complicated examples, produced as piece´s unique – only.




Ref. 982/167 “Bayerischer Festwagen”, cal. 17´´´LEP PS IRM. 350 hours are needed, just for decoration.














Ref. 982/170 “Hirsche”, cal. 17´´´LEP PS IRM. Ten different enamel colors … and more than 100 hours of concentrated work by hand. The engraving needed additionally 150 hours.

 









So, once more:

Pocket watches, we don´t talk a lot about them. Are they still of interest? Are they still collectible? What is more interesting and/or desirable – vintage pieces or current production? …?

 

Oliver


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Love that blue sector dialed pocketwatch. The one with the LeCoultre movement.

 
 By: patrick_y : December 15th, 2013-14:53
It's kind of like Google Glass. It may be a good thing, it may be functional, it may even improve our lives. However, it's just not socially acceptable to have a Google Glass on your head all the time. Even here in Fremont/San Jose/Silicon Valley/San Fran... 

"they can't be used in daily life without attracting unwanted or awkward attention"

 
 By: small-luxury-world : December 19th, 2013-10:10
The same issue I have/had quite often with my wristwatches. Maybe it would be easier with a pocketwatch, because I could tell it´s "just" a family heirloom and nothing I had to buy for. Patrick, thanks for your reply! Oliver

Interesting topic

 
 By: Le Monde Edmond : December 15th, 2013-15:56
Oliver you raise an interesting topic. I think pocketwatches have made a small comeback. Maybe because men are also now wearing more three piece suits today. However will they be as important as before when they were introduced? No. The wristwatch is too ... 

Edmond, I agree the pocketwatch ...

 
 By: small-luxury-world : December 19th, 2013-10:17
won´t replace the wristwatch in general. Still I can imagine a strong future for interesting pieces, because some of them represent skills & beauty almost impossible to find in a wristwatch these days. Hunting is part of the fun of our hobby/passion a... 

Pocket watches are horological relicts

 
 By: Ares501 - Mr Green : December 15th, 2013-15:59
in my eyes We love to see them We are glad they exist but we are unwilling to consider them seriously Your wife has keen eye indeed dear Oliver that Pocket watch screams class Thank you very much for absolutely marvelous post and interesting topic Best re... 

Dear Damjan, thanks for your kind reply.

 
 By: small-luxury-world : December 19th, 2013-10:20
"wife has keen eye" Sure, she married me :-) Cordially, Oliver

You read my mind ;) [nt]

 
 By: Ares501 - Mr Green : December 19th, 2013-12:48

One of the most interesting thing, in pocket watches, is their movement.

 
 By: amanico : December 16th, 2013-00:48
I surprised myself to spend one whole day discussing Pocket watches with the JLC Heritage Gallery Team, when I was there to see and discuss many other things. They kindly opened the Pocket watches and what I saw just captivated me. There is something abou...  

"If you want to understand some modern products, yes, they are"

 
 By: small-luxury-world : December 16th, 2013-01:58
I agree and not only when it comes to your example. All shown examples are superb, but the cal. 170 is just to die for. Thanks for sharing, Nicolas! Oliver

Pocket watches are more than meets the eye

 
 By: Tick Talk : December 16th, 2013-08:47
Oh Oliver, you certainly got me excited with those gorgeous pictures For current collectors and watch enthusiasts, your questions are essentially an issue of personal initiative, ie, how deep into the history of horology do you wish to delve? Can one spea...  

Dean, I was quite sure ...

 
 By: small-luxury-world : December 18th, 2013-03:30
that you would love the topic :-) Thanks a lot for sharing your observations regarding the topic, the sponsored events, the future interest and so on - much appreciated. Nerd Nite , I like that and it reminds me the Pecha Kucha events I attended several t... 

Thanks for the tip Oliver

 
 By: Tick Talk : December 19th, 2013-08:04
the PechaKucha 20x20 events sound fascinating. I wonder if their format of 20 photos for 20 seconds each favors visual content foremost. If you do get to the Berlin Nerd Nite, please post or PM me about the experience. If I may also indulge in one more co... 

Horology

 
 By: NJ : February 12th, 2014-18:23
This is indeed very encouraging as I was starting to think the wrist shot had replaced a serious interest in real horology. ...  

What a topic!

 
 By: gensiulia : December 16th, 2013-12:21
Very very interesting, thank you for sharing. Christian

Christian, my pleasure!

 
 By: small-luxury-world : December 19th, 2013-10:20
Oliver

Provenance

 
 By: vandyke : December 16th, 2013-13:11
Pocket watches are a piece of history many with interesting provenance. While wrist watches are more practical, they are also uncapped in supply. The ratio of pocket watches to watch enthusiasts is only going down over time.

Provenance - why do you think ...

 
 By: small-luxury-world : December 19th, 2013-10:22
it is more important or can be found more often at pocketwatches. It is just a matter of time and interest, isn´t it? Thanks! Oliver

Thank you Oliver for this wonderful post

 
 By: jrwong23 (aka watchthebin) : December 18th, 2013-16:55
on vintage pocket watches. Really got me more interested to learn more about them. I really appreciate that with limited technology during those days, watchmakers could still produce such horological works of art. cheers robin

Robin, maybe there was limited technology ...

 
 By: small-luxury-world : December 19th, 2013-10:42
but we should not forget the impressive knowledge and skills they had in the past. Quite a few skills are (almost) lost today and the industry doesn´t care - at least most of the time. Even with (almost) unlimited technology today, some people think the b... 

I would not wear one BUT

 
 By: drphileasfogg : February 13th, 2014-02:08
I would not wear one, as it is not my style but I have seriously considered buying a Patek pocket watch but mainly to use as a desk clock. I like things with a small footprint, powerful laptop instead of bulky tower computer etc… so it may be better than ...