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Can anyone identify this reference?

 
 By: Costa (aka Connie) : January 27th, 2015-06:47
Hi All, I was visiting my father last night in preparation for the blizzard. He was wearing one of his many old Pateks. This piece was purchased 20-30 years ago in Switzerland. It hs yellow gold case with a solid back. It is hand wound. The papers are in ...  

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 By: watch-er : January 27th, 2015-08:15
for the age of the watch. Plus the circles surrounding the word "Swiss" at the bottom. May want to have opened and see just what is inside.

Are you saying that it might be fake? That would be bad.

 
 By: Costa (aka Connie) : January 27th, 2015-08:31
I am certain that it was purchased at an authorized AD. I believe that it has been serviced at HSWA in NYC too. Thanks for the input. I appreciate it.

No, it looks like a PP.

 
 By: small-luxury-world : January 27th, 2015-08:40
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Everything looks like ...

 
 By: small-luxury-world : January 27th, 2015-08:39
Ref. 3861 from the 80s, but it should have an automatic movement - cal. 240. Are you sure about manual? 3855 has the same style (dial and hands), but comes with a slightly different case. The lattter has a manual movement - cal. 215. Best, Oliver

I am pretty sure it is manual wind. But I did not check personally.

 
 By: Costa (aka Connie) : January 27th, 2015-08:45
Although my father is getting on in age,87 yrs, he knows his watches so I bet it is manual wind. I can double check next time I am there.

Example...

 
 By: small-luxury-world : January 27th, 2015-09:03
Picture credit John Reardon PP in America Reference Guide ...  

Thank you very much

 
 By: Costa (aka Connie) : January 27th, 2015-09:10
I bet my father does not know that his watch is automatic. It is easy to forget over the years. I appreciate your help. The knowledge the people have on this site si truely amazing. You people are very kind. I have a NIB 5146R on the way and I will be sur... 

Extremely thin caliber!

 
 By: Costa (aka Connie) : January 27th, 2015-09:15
One of the reasons I thought that this watch was hand wound is that it is extremely thin. I had no idea that PP could make such a thin automatic caliber. I assume it uses the micro rotor. Amazing craftsmanship! That is one reason I love these mechanical t... 

Cal. 240 was already introduced in 1977 ...

 
 By: small-luxury-world : January 29th, 2015-01:32
... as a thin base movement for the company's perpetual calendars. With a thickness of 2.4 millimeters, the movement allowed a perpetual automatic caliber with a total thickness of only 3.75 millimeters, almost two millimeters thinner than its predecessor...