Patek Philippe

Hello, any recommendation for a winder that fits well with 5167 and 5712? I tried wolfdesign and eilux but both winder does not seems to fit well, anyone tried swiss kubik?

Scatola del Tempo. I bought my first one after Orbita perhaps 5 years ago and I have been very satisfied. However, there are also cheaper alternatives. Best, Kari

I recently purchased a Scatola del Tempo winder for multiple watches. They are more expensive than the rest but I figured if Patek outsources to them for winders, they must be Patek approved. Besides, I also thought that my Patek's deserve better than som... 

How about the watch holder, does it fit well for mid size watch, i tried wolf and eilux and both seems to be designed for bigger watch and put a lot of pressure on the strap of smaller size watch

...I have had mine for 5 years and it is superb