Lunch with Philippe Stern

May 26, 2010,02:40 AM
 

I just attended the press preview of the Patek Philippe Grand Exhibition at the St Regis hotel in Singapore which will run from 27-31 May 2010. The exhibition is well worth attending, click here for more details.

 

The preview and press conference was followed by a luncheon. I was fortunate to sit with Philippe Stern instead of being shown to the door as I usually am; the rest of the table was mostly occupied by important journalists like Timmy Tan, Wei Koh and Eddy Koh, editors of TimeWerke, Revolution and World of Watches respectively.

 


Timmy Tan, Philippe Stern and Wei Koh

 


The press dining inside the exhibition area  

 

Because of this fortuitous turn of events I managed to speak with Mr Stern and listen to some of his comments on various topics.

 

Mr Stern is a rarity in the industry. Many of the personalities in the business are young and professional managers; the boom in watchmaking only began about ten years ago. Mr Stern, on the other hand, is an individual who has watchmaking in his blood. He has not only seen changes in watchmaking from a very high level as the owner and manager of Patek Philippe, but he has been involved since birth. He knows what he is talking about, not just about Patek Philippe but also the industry at large.

 


 

 

The Stern family, who originally ran a dial-making business, acquired Patek Philippe in 1932. Mr Stern spoke about how his father, Henri, began travelling in the forties to seek new markets for high-end watches which were previously bought mostly by royalty and a very narrow segment of society.

 

Interestingly, Patek Philippe once had an electronics division, set up in 1948, which made electronic clocks for industry and science. It made the first clock with no moving parts in the late fifties. But as Mr Stern noted the division was eventually divested because it diverged from the firm’s focus of making mechanical timepieces and also because of competition, notably from the Japanese.

 

I posed the well worn auction question to Mr Stern, raising the recent Patek chronograph at auction at sold for over CHF5 million to a “private Geneva museum” – Mr Stern laughed. But he stated specifically that Patek Philippe is no longer frequently active in the auction market, as it was in earlier years when it was building up its collection. However, he did acknowledge the frequent success of the company’s watches at auction is a contributing factor to the firm’s commercial success today.

 

There was a time though, when “no one wanted them”. Mr Stern says the museum collection began in 1965 when the Stern family started buying vintage timepieces. He gave the amusing example of three watches he purchased years ago, the refs. 2499 and 1518 which are chronographs with perpetual calendars, as well as one more watch which he cannot recall – they cost a grand total of CHF12,000 and he found incredibly expensive at the time. And he also said that the high prices of watches at auction make it difficult to acquire pieces for the museum, even if he wants to.

 


 


Vintage ref. 2499 - a true classic and one of my favourite vintage Patek  

 

Another topic was the new ref. 5950A rattrapante – why steel? “For a change” was his reply; it is important to have something “different”. Also, Patek Philippe has a history of making steel chronographs, and these are sought after due to their relative rarity.

 

Mr Stern also spoke about the ref. 5004 chronograph. One reason it is an enormously complex watch is because the Lemania base was not designed to accommodate a split seconds function, meaning every component has to be small and tightly packed together. Patek Philippe originally approached Lemania, the maker of the chronograph ebauche, to add a split seconds but Lemania declined citing the difficulty, so Patek went it alone. The new CH29-535 PS movement, on the other hand, is designed for easier addition of complications, which leads me to assume a rattrapante based on the CH29 is highly possible.

 


The new ref. 5170 with the CH29 

 

Another complication discussed was the minute repeater. Mr Stern made some interesting comments on the minute repeater wristwatches Patek makes. Platinum is the most popular model, even though it is the worst metal for a repeater due to its density, something Mr Stern tells his customers. But in order to overcome the density of platinum, repeaters cased in platinum are given a high pitch. Mr Stern also mentioned steel and titanium are possible materials for the case of a minute repeater, but the resulting sound is not as different from that produced by gold, and perhaps not as harmonious. And between the various alloys of gold, white, rose and yellow, subtle differences also exist in the sound produced but they are almost negligible.

 


 


Minute repeater, ref. 2524, c. 1958/1959  

 

Mr Stern also gave his thoughts on the trend towards in-house calibres. Most brands are doing that, because of the tight supply of ebauches from movement makers. But he thinks that many brands will make one in-house calibre, which can be used for a base, rather than a range, like Patek Philippe does. And there is a limit to the know-how of any single brand, so there will often be external expertise consulted.

 

I also asked him a question that he is asked everywhere else – what was on his wrist. It was a ref. 3940J with a yellow dial. It is almost identical to the 25 piece limited edition for Swiss retailer Beyer made in 1985. This lacks the engraving on the caseback and "Beyer" on the dial of the Beyer edition.

 


 

 


3940 Beyer 

 

The 3940 is of course the first modern and most iconic Patek perpetual, launched in 1985, and based on the ultra-slim cal. 240 (it is 2.4 mm high) developed in the seventies. Mr Stern also said back then no one believed a perpetual could be added to the cal. 240 because it was so slim.

 

It was a privilege to interact with Mr Stern and I understand why Patek Philippe emphasises it’s a “family watch company”.

 

- SJX

 

And here are some photos of a handful of the exquisite watches on display:

 

 

New ref. 5960P with blue dial

 


Ref. 96 Calatrava in platinum, c. 1947

 


A pair of cloisonne dial watches, "World Map" and "Virgin Forest", c. 1954/1955 an 1957/1958 respectively

 


Ref. 2497 perpetual calendar, c. 1954/1955 and ref. 2499

 


Ref. 3448, c. 1967, and ref. 3450, c. 1982

 

close-ups of ref. 3448 below

 


 


 

And lastly, the Star Calibre 2000

 


 


 


 

 

This message has been edited by SJX on 2010-05-26 03:00:11 This message has been edited by SJX on 2010-05-26 03:01:44 This message has been edited by Dje on 2010-05-26 08:37:58 This message has been edited by SJX on 2010-05-26 18:48:19 This message has been edited by Dje on 2010-05-30 11:20:18


More posts: 1518249724992524345039405004517059505960calatravaCalibrescomplicationsgrand complications

  login to reply

Comments: view entire thread

 

Thnx for report

 
 By: Ares501 - Mr Green : May 26th, 2010-03:09
"There was a time though, when “no one wanted them”" :0) Good old times Damian

Thank you so much for a great post.......And what an experience meeting Mr Stern...

 
 By: Miles151 : May 26th, 2010-03:22
I met him in Geneva and he seems a very down to earth man who has time for everyone..... Great photographs also.... Thanks again. Miles.

Great snippets of a great brand!

 
 By: The Curious Observer : May 26th, 2010-03:26
Hey SJX, you were at the right table! It shows in your report. What a great summary of what must have been a fantastic lunch conversation on the most desired watch brand in the world. It is interesting that PP clients want platinum for their repeaters des... 

What a delicious mistake, SJX...

 
 By: amanico : May 26th, 2010-03:43
Wait a minute.... Why would it be a mistake? You're a Purist, and you deserve such a place, aren't you? Nice display of gorgeous watches, indeed. I wish Thierry Stern the same successful life. Best, Nicolas

thanks for sharing this

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : May 26th, 2010-04:11
i never tire of reading posts like this. Many thanks.

Thanks for the report..

 
 By: cmclee : May 26th, 2010-05:23
very nice pictures too.. Cheers !

Thank you JiaXian

 
 By: Dje : May 26th, 2010-05:49
Hi, Lucky you! Thank you for sharing your encounter with us. The man and the company are really out of normality in this business. Cheers Dje

i will be visiting the exhibition tomorrow...

 
 By: FanFrancisco : May 26th, 2010-06:44
... i have already registered the guided tour at the exhibition at 12.30pm tomorrow. have been waiting for this important event to come for a while, so keen to see all these historical and classic timepieces now. stefan

Fantastic report!

 
 By: KCLQMULKU : May 26th, 2010-06:58
A small, yet highly pertinent insight into the world of PP. Wonderful!

Wonderful Write-Up JiaXian

 
 By: Douglas : May 26th, 2010-06:59
Your grace and understated tone does justice to M. Stern and complements Patek's work. Thank you. Best, Douglas

great report...

 
 By: ocwatching : May 26th, 2010-08:08
must have been a great experience to chat with Mr. Stern...and like you said..he is kind of a anomaly in the watchmaking world as most are headed by younger executives...I would have love taking in all that experience...

I enjoyed reading it, Thank you ! [nt]

 
 By: Bruno.M1 : May 26th, 2010-08:23
No message body

I was planning to be there but unfortunately work caught up to me...

 
 By: shattuck86 : May 26th, 2010-09:07
Looks like a grand exhibition. Thanks for sharing.

Thanks JX

 
 By: DaMctosh : May 26th, 2010-10:10
Nice report! Curious why Mr Stern is here instead of Thierry; although of course the senior statesman is a more experienced ambassador for the manufacture.

Both Messrs Stern were present.

 
 By: SJX : May 26th, 2010-10:16
I only had the pleasure of sitting with the senior Mr Stern. - SJX

Thank you..

 
 By: MiniCooper : May 26th, 2010-10:22
for sharing this experience and info with us...... I found interesting his commends on minute repeaters as well as that some of PP vintage watches were selling for low prices..... thanks again.... cheers

insightful mate

 
 By: Hororgasm : May 26th, 2010-10:57
made up my mind not to attend....till i read this. thks JX

Great write-up

 
 By: wso : May 26th, 2010-11:20
Thank you. Wish I could be there. My biz trip misses this event by 2 weeks. :-(

Thanks, you are a lucky man :-)

 
 By: hans_jorgen_1968 : May 26th, 2010-14:02
..Meeting Mr Stern in persona, what a incredible moment it most have been And many thanks for the report and the great pictures and insights Cheers Hans

Thanks for sharing - great!

 
 By: CGJ0 : May 26th, 2010-14:13
Great article. Thanks for sharing.

Tremendous! Thank you. [nt]

 
 By: polarbear1990 : May 26th, 2010-14:32
No message body

What an opportunity for you...

 
 By: masterspiece : May 26th, 2010-15:59
and for us as well! Thank you for the great report. I read elsewhere that Mr. Stern almost daily wears his 3940 and when asked how often has he had it serviced, his reply was along the lines, "I had it serviced once, years ago. I suspect the oil is a bit ... 

Another lovely read...............

 
 By: Topcat30093 : May 26th, 2010-16:43
Thank you for publishing it. It was nice to see Mr Stern still wearing his 3940

Speaking of lubrication, Mr Stern also mentioned

 
 By: SJX : May 26th, 2010-19:58
that the museum pieces are not lubricated because they are not running, as lubrications tend to dissipate and degrade over time. - SJX

That's very interesting.

 
 By: masterspiece : May 26th, 2010-22:35
Do they hermetically seal the display cases to keep the movements from freezing up? I would think that at some point and time, they must, at the very least, inspect them for wear or rust or whatever. Very interesting. Thanks, SJX

The movements aren't running

 
 By: SJX : May 27th, 2010-04:13
So there is no need for lubrication. And they are of course kept in appropriate temperature/humidity and I assume are inspected once in a while. - SJX

Thanks JX

 
 By: Quan : May 26th, 2010-23:56
I mis to attend this weekend...

Thank you SJX and Mr. Stern...

 
 By: =RWK= : May 27th, 2010-02:07
Thanks for another wonderful review SJX, they are always a pleasure. Mr. Stern, Thank you for sharing your lovely 3940 J. Here is my favorite Patek Philippe... Best to both of you, -- Richard....  

You're much too...

 
 By: dxboon : May 27th, 2010-06:56
...humble! Surely, your contributions to watch-dom got you seated at the appropriate table! It was very interesting to read your article and learn a bit more about Mr. Stern and some of his thoughts. I think Patek, and the Sterns, are intriguing. I get th... 

Thanks for the fabulous write-up

 
 By: jeffrey2 : May 27th, 2010-07:01
I really felt like I was at the exhibit!! I love how you referenced and included various historic pieces. Also, I had no idea about the effort required to rebuild the Lamagnia ebauche for the Ref. 5004. Thank you so much!!

FAN-TAS-TIC

 
 By: cisco : May 29th, 2010-05:51
Everything is very interesting. I particulary appreciate the quote on the "manufacture" trend. thanks Francois

great write up!

 
 By: snipermaverick : June 5th, 2010-08:50
thanks mate!

Woaw!

 
 By: nufan : July 12th, 2010-04:47
Thanks for sharing this! It should have been a great moment (meeting Mr. Stern, seeing the starcalibre,...)

Thank you for sharing, a great post

 
 By: supakit3448 : July 14th, 2010-18:45
Thank you for sharing. It is a great report. Please may i share a few more pic of 3448 3448 with the event magazine 3448 with the legend 27-460Q caliber 3448 with his cursin (3449)...  

Thanks.

 
 By: tnrussell : October 19th, 2010-19:42
Nice report. Glad you got to attend the luncheon. TR

Philippe Stern's watch

 
 By: NW_Rich : October 20th, 2010-15:58
Nice write up - thanks! There's a nice article about Mr. Sterns 3940 in the Patek Magazine Vol II, Number 11 2008.