Patek Philippe

As many of you have already seen them, Patek Philippe has unveiled today its novelties to celebrate the 40th Anniversary of the Nautilus launched in 1976: the 5711/P and 5976/1G Chronograph . I'm posting a recap thread with pictures as it is easier to dis...  

Not sure about The chrono but I love the 5711p. Any official retail prices ?

87 K€ for the 5976 and 103 K€ for 5711P with VAT. Cheers, Mark

Not what I expected and not impressed Cordially D

But I think it will meet its clients. Yes, the case seems to have been made in a much larger size for this version. Thanks Damjan! Cheers, Mark

Cheers D

as I mentionned for the 9 to 3, including the crown. But thanks for the check Christian Cheers, Mark

now Patek makes it "fool prove" for the "collector" by writing what is special about this piece in letters on the dial? Lucky it is far out of my reach, this labelled special piece. Best Moritz

I imagine they noticed some clients appreciate this kind of "reminder". Maybe is it much smaller and discreet in the metal (like the Wempe on the 5125 limited edition for the Wempe anniversary, visible on picture but not that much in the metal)? Thanks fo... 

Whilst many will be underwhelmed I get the wait for 50. The platinum is a nice piece and well the blue looks good on any Nautilus however I\'m not personally a fan of the "40" text. I find the size reference intriguing and wonder how the Chrono stacks up ... 

About the size, the 5990's is the same than 5980 thus 40.5mm from 10 to 4 o'clock. This one is 44mm for the same measurement. It is a totally different offer, on the asthetical and technical base of the 5980. Maybe preparing a larger size for the future, ... 

Glad to have a nautilus 5712a. Cheers to all Nautilus owners. Happy anniversary friends. Geross.

I think I quite feel that these dials with baguettes can be attractive, depending on the habits we have to see some in our own environement. Not what I would buy but I must admit I start to like them, especially since I saw the 5271P for instance. The 571... 

Could you have photos of back sides? HAGW. Best, Patrickh

I don't have a caseback picture but hopefully some will be unveiled in the future. Cheers, Mark

...It has emerged that LVMH has purchased Patek Philippe from the Stern family. CEO Jean-Claude Biver, now head of a new division incorporating Patek, Hublot, and TAG Heuer, said at a little-reported press conference, "I am so very pleased to present this... 

But, as I mentionned, we tend here (especially on watch forums) to judge from our personnal tastes and environement (style, fads etc...) but there are people liking these kind of decorations. Not our tastes in Europe, reminding of the 80's etc but in othe... 

I actually like the baguettes...! The dial text though, not so much. I don\'t actually live in Europe - but thank you for assuming by my clearly impeccable good taste that I do! ;-) Here in Asia I have become accustomed to many things which would raise ey... 

We feel the same. That's how I understand the difference between markets and I imagine that the evolution of Patek Philippe takes into account a new world from the 1980's/1990's (and before). Now, is it good, or is it bad? The limit being we should not ha... 

...for the detailed description. While the Chrono is not my taste, too large and thick (Nautilus are thin watches IMO), I like the Platinum 5711. In fact, I like blue dials and the platinum 5711 seems "more blue" than the steel one. The diamond indexes ar... 

is a little greyer, thus this one looks to have a deeper blue color. You analyzed the dial issues very accurately. Totally agree on the 40th markings, it could certainly have been made differently. Now I'll reserve my last opinion for if I see one in the ... 

However, I\'m not sure why Patek felt it necessary to release two limited edition models. The 30th was a much more appropriate way to celebrate the nautilus. Patek could easily have saved the 5990 for the anniversary, released the 5796 in steel as a regul... 

I've always liked to know what it is the reason behind the decisions. I imagine it was deeply discussed and they unveiled this collection because they meet a demand, even if it is not the one of the majority of the people posting on the forum. You alterna... 

700 (5711/1P) + 1300 (5976/1G) are a limited edition numbers? Could it be that there's a mistake in press release, so 70 + 130 are the real figures? They also pretend not to push nautilus line over the 50% of the overall production. It's nor exclusive nei... 

overall production volumes and demand pressure. They don't mean the same if the brand produces 5000 watches a year. Furthermore, I always thought there is a difference between "limited" because of a specific layout and "limited" because of a custom layout... 

I think so. I really love the true nautilus design of 3700, as i like the 3710, both true LE (past references out of stock) that you can buy for a fraction of the price of these new ones, that's why i am so critical. 3700 is an iconic watch, not his one. ... 

There are old models which are beautiful indeed, the original ones and most of them have evolved. The problem is finding the good improvement and not going the wrong way of course. Then, if you add the subjectivity of all that is aesthetical, then what is... 

Thanks

Not a fan of this 40th anniversary issues. I\'m already hoping for a better 50th. KR

We don't have to like all the watches unveiled, especially as we all have different tastes. I'll look up at the next celebrations as well. My pleasure Kamal! Cheers, Mark

... for I was worried I'd have to flip a few of my other pieces for the "mystery" 40th anniversary Nautilus. They missed the chance to do a limited edition 3711/P, and missed the chance for something unique other than to add a series of numbers to the oth... 

and whatever the brand is: I hope it won't please me for I keep my budget safe! But, we also want to find something very attractive we want to buy. Yes, a very thin and clean version would have been great indeed, maybe they wanted to keep it for later (50... 

it looks like a tombstone: Here lies Patek Philippe Nautilus, born 1976, died 2016 at age 40. There are better was to indicate that it's the 40 Anv. IMHO

It looks like an epitaph (see my post).

It really made me laugh and unfortunately I have to agree with that

I am very disappointed with these anniversary models. The chrono is simply too big and the 5711 in platinum, to me, goes against what nautilus was/is, which is a sort of sporty watch. I mean who will treat their eur 100k purchase in that manner. The lette... 

as several of our fellow friends here. Your budget is saved and their will be other beauties in the future for sure. Thanks for your kind words Zagreb. Cheers, Mark

First whatever we say I think that both watches will sell well. For a full platinum piece LE the price is okay (it is priced less than the Omega Speedmaster all platinum) so it will be a good seller. I think the inscription on the dial is on purpose..so t... 

An important element to consider, limited edition or not, is the price. Is it priced like the standard collection (at same material of course) or higher: it is the same price. I like your last idea. Thanks for your input Christian. Cheers, Mark

like when Lange issued the 1815 F.A. Lange Anniversary I was thrilled as it was priced "reasonably" and I was lucky enough to get one. Yet many Lange lovers were disappointed as the simple approach was seen as a shortcut..too simple. I guess is difficult ... 

and I had the same reaction with the 1815 and with the recent RL Pour le Merite: I love them both becasue I think they are very nice offers and watches that appeal to me. Something more than 1815? Yes but more expensive then and lower numbers etc... No en... 

No Patek should ever deserve to be on the receiving end of this. C'mon Patek, issue us a "comeback round!"

I am glad there is nothing there to tempt me as I have neither the fund nor the wrist (for the chrono "clock"!). Good luck to those that have one or both of those requirements for these pieces.

Some clients will be highly interested by this watch and it is nice if they get it. My pleasure Poky, thanks for the comments Cheers, Mark

would the chrono function in 5976G and revival of 5980 model be worth less than 5711P ? Cheers, Gordon

As you know Pt is much harder than gold to work (machine wear, speed of the tools must be adapted in order to take off slighter pieces of material etc...). There is a lot of Pt in that bracelet and this is a major reason why such price. Thank your for you... 

The industry has a vested interest in maintaining Platinum's mythical properties in the eyes of the unknowledgable. Grade 5 Titanium (annealed) is harder than all materials used, except if Rolex uses full hardened 904 — otherwise it's not much different t... 

but how it behaves when you try to shape it with the tools they use. It is not as clean as crafting onto steel. Furthermore, the balance setting of the heavy weight was much more difficult than just adapting Pt to a 5711's design. That's why it is very ha... 

What a stamp, wow. That is an attempt quite difficult to understand, for me.

from the ones getting pieces from the standard collection. The difficulty to talk to every clients from every parts of the world at the same time. There will always be someone in disagreement somewhere, especially when dealing with diamond-set watches. No... 

I think the 5711P looks great - I'm fully sold. Hope I get the chance to wear with dress shirt and cufflinks!

I think it will look very well when one is sensitive to baguettes setting. I'm glad you like it among others on the forum. There are watch owners keeping diamond set watches for dressy evening and this one is a perfect addition to their collection. Thanks... 

the fact is not as wow to me and not in my current price range for a single watch doesn't mean much..perhaps the stamp on the dial won't be as prominent in the metal and/or many people will feel it is an exclusive feature. I have no issue with the diamond... 

First of all, thank you Mark for a nicely written report. This morning my first reaction was to call to Patek and that I did. I asked if they plan to do something because a "Troll" is spreading funny pictures claiming that those are the 40th Anniversary N... 

balanced, diplomatic and full of charm - as you always are. My problem is that these watches are none of the above. I "get" that PP may be "speaking" to a different taste, but it\'s not one that I recognise. I like watches that speak, but these shout. If ... 

The poor chap has a severe case of the blues – which doesn’t involve either of these new pieces.

Please though don\'t drape her in diamonds or hang a big sign around her neck announcing her age and, just to be sure, some dates by which that age can be calculated. Much obliged.

And call me in the morning. Heehee! Best E.

They represent so much better taste than the new Patek Nautilus. It's sad but those are my honest feelings. Best, Kari

Tried on the new Overseas recently and was very impressed. If only the ultra-thin came in steel - or the small (ladies\') version came without diamonds (I quite like the sub-second at 9 o\'clock, and no extraneous numbers at the edge of the dial - 5 10 15... 

and check there how they feel on the wrist. Best, Kari

I think we all love certain brands but at times is also nice to explore something different. I also think that you have a lot of fantastic pieces so..hey..may be it is a bless in disguise Diamonds are always polarizing and the date on the dial seems a bit... 

even many people think that I'm a "Patek Man", the latest watches I bought are: - JLC Reverso - Rolex Daytona - Tudor Bronze - GP Worldtime Chronograph I started my watch purchases from VC and at one time had about ten of them. Now much less. Anyhow, I wi... 

true watch loves can enjoy great watches at every price point. The Rolex Daytona is another excellent catch ..so I think there is a reason for this disappointment....there is some positive in any bad news

is plain good news. Who in heck would like to overpay? Best, Kari

Can\'t recall you ever posting one of their watches? Just not you\'re thing?

but I had difficulties to read it. No doubt, Langes are great watches. However, the design is a little bit distant to me. One day I will buy Richard Lange; I like that one a lot. Best, Kari

and I know that many purists here can feel frustrated or just disappointed... especially when people were interested in getting one if available. Perfectly natural. What I would tell myself is that the 175th collection was very nice and maybe the next (50... 

I am worried Patek is losing direction in more than one way. See my post on my recent service experience from them.

Today I have been thinking that people who are not trained as designers, should do something else. Best, Kari

For a few reasons, a number of another forum's members have dropped the brand from their collection, in recent times.

I find it cheap even the watches are expensive. It's funny how over 175 years heritage can be destroyed with two awful watches. Best, Kari

…has been resting on their laurels quite a bit. The push to increase production has been notable, even though they’re supposed to be cutting back on this year’s output (acknowledging the issue with QC), at the expense of reasonable turnaround times for se... 

crazy but people want what they can't have! However this lack of supply is just making the grey/parallel market rich so in the end it hurts everyone. It can still remain exclusive if distributed with care.

Replace steel with platinum and the profit margins are flying through the roof. Best, Kari

does not represent the values of a brand where I'm carrying huge amounts of money. Best, Kari

You are a true fan of the brand. You have bought so many platinum pieces that some may view you as a "he buys any special Patek in platinum and they can do no wrong" --- I was curious to see how you would come out on this. I agree with you completely! I a... 

and in most of the cases their design. Something started to go wrong when 3940 was replaced by 5140. They managed to turn a clear icon to a watch with messy dial. But these new "Anniversary Nautilus" were really too much for me. Patek is simply not anymor... 

and I like Brequet a lot. These brands are not unknown to my watch boxes. Best, Kari

I understand your disappointment and it was good to have your input on these models. Your summary is excellent and very comprehensive. It was a nice read! Thanks Christian

"It was nice read". You mean when a deeply disappointed client is screaming. Best, Kari

It was a nice read because I am always interested in understanding why a great collector likes or doesn't like a particular model. Your posts are very informative because you say clearly what you don't like and why. Not the usual "too expensive" or "not f... 

Some great watches has been introduced: 5550P, 5370P, etc. But then there are these terrible references like today's Anniversary Nautilus. I can't get how they fit to the brand image of Patek. Traditionally Patek's watches have been understated and elegan... 

When a longtime friend and supporter like you is supremely disappointed (and a lesser, but still passionate, owner and collector like me feels the same), I hope that means something to them. I agree with you that the 5140 was a mess of a 3940, and quite f... 

I think the 175 years watches were pretty good. The new 5370P is great and I also 5960/1A is a fantastic watch. But while Patek has been increasing the production and decreasing the QC, they have also started to try to expand to new areas and attract new ... 

Velo

Feel free to send a couple of your Nautilus' to me for safe keeping then when you want them back just let me know....out of sight out of mind as they say..!!! I have to agree with what you say and even me as a non PP collector fail to see what the h**l th... 

"This must be a nightmare. When I wake up, Patek has published the real Anniversary watches". I can't believe this! Best, Kari

We quite already discussed baout what could it be like and for a surprise, that's a surprise. I agree with the size matter, it has grown a little from 37 to 39/40mm already. But this is not just because wrist sizes have increased. However, even if it is c... 

I see this anniversary issue on a broader perspective. I am afraid that these represent the new direction of the Brand. This kind of Bling will surely suit many and naturally all 2,000 watches will be sold. what makes me upset is that I can't see any tria... 

I hope not and it would be very surprising, time will tell. About the "money", I always tended to think that they have no stackholder pushing to optimize profits as a group has and that they make so much money already that they don't need to do that just ... 

That's the case let the company be private or public. Another thing I have learned from real life is that rich people are basically always aiming to become richer. That's the reason they are rich and there is nothing negative in that. But I always believe... 

I always read your post with quite some interest and appreciate your view But now your post is IMO very very exaggerated I really can't believe you would sell watches because they made something you don't like AT FIRST sight I'm sure Patek made other watc... 

First of all, I earlier refused a 5711/1P. After some time I regretted but the watch was gone already. My perspective was that Nautilus is a sporting watch and for such a purpose platinum is not the best material. Furthermore, if a watch is costing 100k, ... 

But it's you choice

But now it's time to lighten my Patek portfolio. I simply do not believe anymore to the success of Patek Philippe in the future. Best, Kari

Unfortunately, Kari, you're right, as usual And my Patek will be beside yours in auctions

I can imagine how you feel as an owner of "supposed to be rare" Nautilus 5711/1P. Anyhow, as the first stage, I will put 7 watches to auction. Three rare Nautilus, three watches which are currently on service and one which is in my safe still sealed after... 

Good luck with whatever you decide to do.

Yet many Patek collectors and admirers feel the same as you. After having many, many Pateks over the past few decades i felt as you a couple of years ago and sold all but one (my fave vintage RG Calatrava with ultra-thin modded Piaget movement). Given the... 

I will not sell all. As the first step 7 will go and then I will start to consider what to do with the majority. Naturally I will keep a bunch of Patek watches. Best, Kari

I believe this is a valid expression to describe a feeling that fan-boys (if we can use such an undignified term for collectors of any kind) get when they sense their brand straying. For example I once owned 5-6 Buicks (at one time). Buick meant big, powe...  

Very well said. Thank you! Best, Kari

Kari, I have been in the publishing business since I was 18 (47 years if you do the math). Thank you for making my day. Your quote is going to be printed and pasted up on my Wall of Fame - amidst the few dozen masterful expressions that I don't want to fo... 

It's always been a love hate relationship with me and Patek over the years but this just reconfirmed that I have lost interest completely for the brand and it's new direction.

is something really pushing me away from Patek. Best, Kari

Thanks Mark for the Post, and a bigger thanks for Dr. Kol for writing the above reply. I am really confused on what PP is presenting lately !! Buying a PP was the easiest decision to take when wanting a time piece. I was always confident that every piece ... 

My trust on Patek is shaking badly and I had a long telephone conversation with one of their executives tonight. It seems that they follow Watchprosite. These two "Anniversary Nautils" were in my opinion a real flop. However, they are just two models amon... 

But don't worry; over the phone I expressed my feelings much more straight than in a written form. Best, Kari

A month ago I got totally different production numbers for these Anniversary pieces. I guess their ship has started to leak a lot and they try desperately to create new sales to new clientele. The mistake was done already earlier when the new President of... 

Thanks Mark for the report. On the one hand, I am wondering who are the 2000 Patek enthusiasts that the manufacturer has dedicated these watches to? I am not surprised under Thierry Stern's stewardship that these are not stainless steel refs. Looking back... 

I just bought a 7118A steel for my wife and suspect the blue dial for the two anniversary models will be similar or the same. With regards to the two anniversary models I\'m not even going to discuss the 5976G The 5711P is stunning but the price will put ... 

is deliberatly limited in order the line-up doesn't repesent a significant part of sales. It would indeed unbalance the brand's image compared to classical cases.

For sure, there is a reason behind the choice and I would be curious to know what the strategy is. Integrated in a bigger plan? Just a different way of celebrating than the usual offers? I don't have the answer yet! My pleasure Joe Cheers, Mark

the big news has kept you busy today. I hope you have a big glass or two of champagne/wine/beer/soda. The funny thing is this will be old news fast and we'll be talking about something else soon. --Joe

I've been spending hours and there are still many replies to make :p But it is a pleasure discussing with you all even if we don't have the same tastes and opinions. Your last sentence is the pure truth and some will get a watch they love and be happy to ... 

Well, some will be happy they were designed for them while many will look somewhere else. Cheers, Mark

What a difficult crowd :-( You guys are becoming too old, stop complaining The chrono is NOT too big ... finally a watch Nautilus in a bigger size ... If you don't like it, buy another one ( 5980 or 5990) The platinum is just to die for Everybody that wan... 

I think the 5711P looks stunning. Some of the posts are bordering on hysterical - if you don\'t like it fair enough but you don\'t need to suggest anyone who does is somehow a second class watch enthusiast.

The metallic blue dial is gorgeous and I'm sure it will look stunning in the metal. And I'm sure the finish of the case & bracelets will be sublime. In fact, I would truthfully love to know if there are ~2000 men/women who have the means to buy these piec... 

In fact it is what I said to my AD: I like to wear my watches and would only countenance one of these to lock it away, double sealed etc. The point is that purchases such as this are, for some/many, emotional rather than anything else. Emotion brings pass... 

Emotion is great and clearly these pieces have divided. I\'ve never purchased a watch with diamonds but I\'m happy to give it a try if I get the chance.

I would find plenty of opportunities to wear the P.

that is the beauty with watch collecting....nobody...absolutely nobody....has the right to call someone else's taste as "wrong" or "stupid". In exactly the same way that calling a 33mm watch "stupid" it is similarly incorrect to label these Nautillus as s... 

We should always have in mind that someone may like what we don't and that it isn't nice to read subjective and extreme comments then. There is a way to express the fact it isn't the way we like them (and explain what we don't like exactly) and what we re... 

by your favorite manufacturer or Patek. I am sure that there is a market for this and -- judging from the instagram posts -- many admirers. You can't please everyone I guess.

I'm glad to read your opinion that way. I think that the curiosity and hope of always wanting the next novetly to be better than anything we saw before leads our heart but this is not how life works! People can have very different tastes indeed and openin... 

My 5c: - think they are beautiful, blue gorgeous, diamonds tasteful, materials interesting, BUT - embossed dials are horrendeous I reserve right to wait placing judgement on size of the chrono, but these embossed dials are lunacy!!! So close... .yet so fa... 

and thank you for sharing your thoughts. I must say that I would like to see them in the metal. In the past I noticed that baguette indexes are less visible than on pictures and must say they would look quite nice with a blue dial. And I'd like to check t... 

I am very, very dissapointed! Anniversary numbers on the dial? So tacky! A Patek shouldn\'t shout that she is a Patek! A Patek is a Patek for its discretion, style and mechanical craftmanship. Now is everything destroyed! I am upset! Yours, Adam

I also thought that it was a practical joke. That's why I called Patek as first thing in the morning and wondered why they do not react in any ways like introducing the real watches. Incredible. Best, Kari

It should speak out with its beauty and craftmanship only. Don't need to tell things. That's the same with cultural knowledge :p Thanks Adam and don't be upset there are many other marvels in the current or past collection than can suit your desires Cheer... 

Which in this case is a good thing.....but I think the less said the better. Andy.

But I have also bought a lot during the last years and I feel that I can express my real emotions. If somebody in Patek is upset, let him be. I think there are no excuses after today. Best, Kari

first of all I love my 5980 and 5990 but I don't see any harm in adding a bigger version of it , that's mostly because i love also Panerais and 44mm isn't big in my eyes, in contradiction where many PP lovers seems to love just the opposite I also don't s... 

You're also accustomed to another kind of sizes and shapes etc... This makes your appreciation and understanding of bigger watches very different from people dealing with smaller cases only. The same with shaped watches gold colors etc... This is subjecti... 

A little bit ostentatious for daily wear but the proportion and the blue dial is perfect for me. If only they had it done in stainless steel for daily wear instead of white gold, this would have been the perfect watch for me. I have sen shots from the GQ ... 

I think that was the aim of Patek. Now the question raised by some purists is "is it good they provide what people want" or "should they make a selection and refuse a few things they don't think they should do"? Tough questions as we will know about the i... 

on the dial is quite ridiculous in my opinion. Give me the plain dial anytime over this one . Cheers, Filip

They gave you the very nice "vibrant Blue" dials, which most of us like on the previous 5711P, and the 5960 two tone. They gave you the nice Cork boxes that are hard to find nowadays. They gave you the nice Chronograph that most watch purist like, and Tme... 

The fact that many fellow purists were aiming at a more standard layout (no diamond, more discreet printings on the dial) is explaining there reaction. But it is important to understand that there are other clients wanting these elements (aside from the 4... 

I strongly dislike the dial printing. The 40 Anniversary dial printing is not attractive at all and ruins the watch! I do like the diamond hour markers. The ideal special watch celebrating this 40th anniversary is to have a watch with just the diamond hou... 

Indeed the 40 marking is not the best move. The feedback I have from Patek and from my past experience is that it is less visible in the metal as the dial is dark blue and it is much smaller than these pictures tend to show. A Baguettes-only version would... 

Would it be possible that Patek listen to our comments and, for instance, remove the anniversary marking on the dial for production pieces? Has such a last minute modification been seen before from Patek? I know it happened with Jeager-Lecoultre with, for... 

Will see if you are Right.

probability is very low (close to zero) and yours is perfect and in very low number. This one will be produced at 700 ex. I suppose you are in love with your Beauty and never want to sell it. HAG Day. Best, Patrickh

but it can happen... However, as long as people remain respectful and objective, I'm sure Patek will appreciate reading comments for the future and process them with the clients they meet and who don't use social media, forums etc... For the stamp though,... 

I like the color of the dial, but that is about it. Nautilus was never the understated that appealed to many Patek buyers, but it does have a cult status with others. But these watches look so much like the Seiko blue dial ones of the 1970's.

Cheers, your Seiko moderator. Cazalea

I\'ve concluded that I am a gender stereotyping dinosaur. Guilty. I just can\'t get comfortable with the notion that a man wears diamonds. Anywhere. Anytime. Then I thought - what about as a dress watch? Nope not even than, and the Nautilus is no dress wa... 

Exercise. Our expectations are most often disappointed. Oh well... Best, Nicolas

I think \'we\' the community partly created the expectations ourselves. 40th is not a grand milestone really (as traditionally opposed to say 10, 25, 50 etc.) and to my knowledge the general message from PP was not to expect anything truly groundbreaking ... 

Patek didn't really want to commemorate the 40th anniversary at first. However, with the growing expectations from the clients, they felt they had to do something. Thus, the fact (I think) that they decided to do "something else". About your first sentenc... 

Not all Asians love "bling" in jewelry and accessories to begin with...just as not all from the West love the "bling" culture perpetuated by some rap, sports and media culture. Some people do, some people don\'t.

and many many thanks to Patek to have done such a 5711P. Now I am sure that my standard 5711p will increase its value. By the way, 700 limited edition... I prefer the original 5711p with less than 100

Understated sporty elegance. Cheers, Mark

I suspect in the future there will be a new line of oversized nautiluses aimed to compete with the hugely successful ROO. I\'m not a ROO fan, but I predict when an oversized nautilus comes in steel it will fly off the shelf.

even though I think that there should maybe be a limit. It is not necessarily because there is a market for one thing that the brand should provide it. Maybe 42 is the limit I would pic for Patek. Going further is taking a risk with the brand's image. Lim... 

I would venture to guess the ROO drives most of AP\'s revenue and Patek is missing a huge market share. This is business, not art anymore, after all.

the idea of mentioning 1976-40-2016 on the dial is out of the place IMHO and cheapens the watch. Looks like an ad to me I would have preferred that touch/detail on the case back instead. Nevertheless the blue color they used is out of this world! Laurent

The 40 marking could indeed have been put at the back, even though I understand it is very discreet in the metal. The blue is said to be darker and makes the watch very nice. I think the baguettes will match very well with it. Cheers Laurent, Mark

Still love them both! ...  

while remaining quite discreet. Wear it with smart casual outfits and it won't look too visible, with a beautiful dial color. The reactions have been excessive imho. After a while I'm sure people won't be as harsh with the brand the way it behaves and the... 

Was expecting a lot more from PP. They came out with a dial embossing which really takes away the beauty & simplicity of the dial. This could have been done on the rotor of the watch . My liking is towards the 5711/1p but they should have created somethin... 

I kept saying from late 2015 or eearly 2016 that we felt from discussions with ADs, interviews from staff etc that Patek didn't want to celbrate the 40th too much. people were expecting because it was 40 but not really Patek. People were waiting so much f... 

Just nearly € 200,000,000.00 additional sales out of which some 100 million to Patek. Small and quiet? I was offered 5711P one year ago. Stupidly I refused. Anyhow, Patek told how difficult it is to work with platinum and especially the bracelet. Now they... 

First, it has to be compared 700 with 55 000/58 000. Then what is the problem with the "limited" 700 (or the 1300 5976/1G)? They take this "limited" element to make prices higher? NO, we discussed about this and they are not from a standard equivalent fro... 

that you as a Moderator always try to find the positive side. I am fully prepared to stop discussing the Anniversary Nautilus. I have expressed my opinion and to be honest, I dislike the watches so much that there are no reasons to comment any further. Be... 

but I would say that I don't try to remain positive that would be missing the right position. But I want to highlight that things can look different and I like to put things back in perspective to get a fair opinion. Otherwise we just fool ourselves in th... 

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and based on that, these pieces are a good idea. But these also push out many old clients and that's a bad idea. It is always cheaper and easier to keep the old client group than to get a new one. Best, Kari

This would be true if the clients were the same with time but we get old. It would be true if clients' profile remained the same with time: this is what changes IMHO. The new clients are younger by definition. These clients relfect the image, culture, fre... 

I echo what the others have said. I disliked the 5976 but the 5711P is still ok. It's not something I will aspire for though but I think this will save me some money. I also did a double take when I saw the 5976, when I saw the PP website, then that's whe... 

Showing people are very much expecting about the Nautilus line and the fact that the general tastes are usually very conservative, the final outcome has surprised many of our fellow purists. Always nice saving money for the future, there will be for every... 

In light of the fact that the fabled 5711P that were made in small batches the past 5 years is no longer in existence, the LE is the closest thing that we have, if one can get an allocation at all. I seems that most of the posts have been quite negative f... 

Would it be easier to get one? The thing is that I don't think forums/blogs are where you will find most of the traditional collectors. I tend to think that they have a close relationship with the brand via their AD/Salon and not influenced by comments fr... 

I fully agree with for opinion. I am afraid since the 175th anniversary, but believe me, we do not have many alternatives to patek regarding modern watches. I decided to go more for vintage watches. Here is AP my favourite. Very nice and hard to get. All ... 

Like the 40th Anniversary Nautilus watches or not, it's hardly a reason to auction your Pateks, or question the future of the brand. Vintage or present, there are a lot of Pateks we would all love to own, many more than any other brand. Same will hold tru... 

I feel that the 5711P LE will be more popular, just because of its traditional size and appearance, and less made. It might be the harder piece to be allocated.. just my 2 cents.

I think the blue is stunning either the same or similar to the new ladies 7118A as per pics ...  

One or two mistakes on the road don't make a ship sink. There are many beautiful and interesting pieces from the past, and from the present collections. It is not because one doesn't like today's anniversary bold move that everything falls apart. I imagin... 

For years, I have read the repeated criticisms of our other brands - "how could they do that, they are only after money, Patek would never do that", etc. The perch does not seem so high anymore. Kari - I will openly admit when I opened this post, I was ex... 

but just that whatever is unveiled and especially when going largely out of the usual path (daring style, moving the AP logo somewhere else on the dial :O , etc...), the reactions will be quite "energetic", especially on open forums. It can happen to the ... 

Politically correct or not, I think we can express our honest opinions here. Best, Kari

I recalled a purist who was allocated both watches, and he seemed to loss interest once the pictures were unveiled. Just wondering.... anyone allocated who agreed to accept either of the two watches? If so, how did the process work? Did you order the watc... 

they are told not to make a list and take names and that Geneva will decide (I imagine with the help of the local retailer). I don't know more precisely how it will work. Cheers, Mark

A high ranking PP person has said that PP doesn't want to be just a Nautilus brand, that there are many other watches in their collection. As others have pointed out, the 40th anniversary was intended to be low key. It seems that those chosen to receive t... 

I will write a post about how I see this one and how I see trends evolutions when I have time. Until then, I would really like to see how it looks like in the metal, normal size etc... Thanks for your balanced output. Cheers, Mark

The dial inscriptions are in your face atrocious. extremely tacky. Best part about them is the box! They've lost their way. No longer producing pieces with discerning eye and for a conservative collector. Trying to appeal to the masses.

When I saw these, the first thing I said was, "f*ck." The first thing I thought was, "greed." How does something like this happen? Were there no focus groups in the design process? I just don't understand. Is there any indication what the fallout will be?... 

Is that 2,000 pieces take time to manufacture. That so, PP could react to this negativity by offering recipients the choice: embossing or no embossing. The diamond markers in themselves identify these pieces as different. If this forum is anything to go b... 

A great combination constructive criticism and easy solution. I am confident many collectors can either learn to live with, or in fact love the diamonds, which distinguish these watches from all other Nautilus watches. Sure production might be delayed a b... 

I for one said \'The 5711P is great!\'

However, I am not Pateks target buyer for these watches. If I had many Pateks already and wanted to own something special, different and collectible I might go for it. I am not fond of the date marking, or diamonds, but as a one off piece in a large colle... 

seen these two references in the metal. I fully appreciate why the embossing and diamond markers have disappointed many Patek fans. However, given my ownership experience with 5131G which have the words "Patek" and "Geneve" engraved on the bezel, I realiz... 

Exactly and it is true with every brands. The live experience is often very different and croped details are totally different when you handle the watch. Not that some flaws magically disappear but nearly for some of them. There are watches without "chin"... 

Thanks Mark! Cheers G.

Much to talk about Cheers, Mark

My AD was allocated a 5711P. He already submitted a name to HSWA. This was accepted. The AD may take names. In 2017, if there are further allocations, the list will be submitted to HSWA for review. Those chosen will be notified. This is the process in the... 

I'm pretty sure 700 platinum 5711 is not enough to satisfy the demand I bet the 5711P they made in the past was just some kind of a test. Imo they wanted to know the demand for such a piece And if they gathered let's say 1000 or more requests they now dec... 

My AD can\'t even place an order for a second customer. The system of preapproval is meant to prevent customers from placing the same order with different AD. The address will also be filled on the certificate, on top of the name before the AD gets the wa... 

issue selling out !

I think those pre-approved are quietly waiting for their watches. Quiet waters run deep.

5976G ?

He can only take names to submit in 2017 if there more allocations to come. What did your AD say about it?

Because I like the 5711P more

I spent the majority of my time talking about the 5711P. The other model only came up in passing. I think that this may be the case in the majority of the collectors. If there will be pieces available in 2017 for the wait list, I don\'t think it will be t... 

size is too much for my small wrist !

Get the 5711P if allocated this year. Wait for the other next year if you still like it, since there are more made, and it\'s quite big for a lot of people.

unlikely to get the 5976G. Correct ?

The worst is that the AD said no

Patek because they usually do not wish to allocate more than one to the same person.

All you can do is try

wife ! LOL !

PP announces a third Nautilus LE in steel, no seconds hand, plain dial, 2000 pieces, (everything that we have been dreaming of) to be delivered next year. To be offered first to the 2000 buyers of the current LE this year. This might create some second th... 

To me this is the least appealing Nautilus of them all.

and most of us would have prefered the markings on the back side. Anyway, you have maybe seen on Kari's post that it is much more discreet in the metal: www.watchprosite.com Thanks for sharing your opinion on this reference. Cheers, Mark