Difficult to answer and to give a right statistics but I'll try to give an answer.

Apr 16, 2015,12:49 PM
 

The service performance is something we look closely at when it is time to ask for one and sometimes, but in a much lesser extent, when we buy a watch.

To begin with, let me say that many of the questions you ask may apply to every brands, even the smallest.


Firstly, I would just start by saying that the significant "wait time" you mention has been experienced by some collectors here and there on the internet but who can really assess its % (0.1%? 5%? 50%?) compared to the number of service provided each year (around 80 000 pieces)? This may just be a very rough and daring estimate.

I'm not trying to defend Patek as there is certainly an improvement margin the brand can take care of.

But I think that summing-up Patek's service performance to this kind of delay only when considering a purchase, based on the population posting on forums/friends is not an accurate measurement either.

The interest in Patek watches is much more than servicing delay incidents and I don't think many people will end in selling their watch or not buying one because the service that will be held in 5 or 10 years may be significant (or not from many other testimonies). And again, you may not be sure that going to another brand will secure that matter either.

If one buyes a watch just because of servicing delays (Patek's service quality is know to be top-notch by the way), then I think he misses something and, hence, there must not be many, imho.


Your second point is the interesting part and Thierry Stern has shown they are aware of the required improvement. They are investing in new facilities and this is a clue to your question "how hard will it be": very expensive (high investments) and time consuming.

It is not "will be" anymore but "they do". That's of course good news for every Patek owners.


Concerning your third point, you know it might be a very difficult question to answer to.
Is it more or less compared to other brands? I don't know but my personal feeling is that Patek owners may prefer the official channel. I would say so for every high-end brand, especially when the watches are expensive.

It is the same issue concerning cars: official network or the garage down the road? People do what they want.

If they know a proven very good watchmaker, able to obtain all the genuine parts, knowing to service all kind of brands or complications, without closing the case letting dust inside, able to polish the watch without ruining the edges... then they may take the plundge at their own risk.

But a huge majority (I guess) will go for the secured choice.

It is not just a question of time, even if I completly understand we can be impatient to get our beloved watch back on our wrist.


And finally the fourth question: I think that no reliable answer is possible. I would maybe add that if they could make a lot of money in servicing, every brands would have a 1 month delay for the task. Which they don't.


I hope this helps and that I was able to bring you some food for thoughts. This issue is a tricky one as it sets off an emotive reaction when faced with.

However, I don't pretend to be right, but I tried to explain that this is far from being that easy to "read" and to assess.

Thanks for bringing these points out smile

Cheers, Mark




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Patek service times from a business perspective

 
 By: unpollo2 : April 16th, 2015-09:34
we have all heard of crazy service times from 3 months to a year. my question is from a business point. 1- how many people would be deterred from buying a Patek due to this outrageous wait time 2- how hard would it be to scale up the service centers to sp... 

All questions are relevant.

 
 By: dr.kol : April 16th, 2015-09:43
I guess that it is not that easy to find competent watch makers. I saw in AP Boutique in Singapore a fully qualified watch maker who needed an forty five minutes to extend the bracelet of a new RO. Or in a Blancpain Boutique their watch maker could not pu... 

quicker

 
 By: watch-er : April 16th, 2015-11:40
Every service I have had with Henri Stern the watch was completed well in advance of the estimated time.

A long time ago

 
 By: dr.kol : April 16th, 2015-12:14
I was dealing with a very bad AD, nowadays a former AD. Those days I had a long delay. When taking care of services through Patek Philippe Geneva & London Salons, I have been 100% satisfied with the - speed - quality of the work - pricing Best, Kari

One issues I think is the issue of 'qualified* personnel...

 
 By: Ornatus-Mundi : April 16th, 2015-12:26
which - frankly speaking - needs to be as much qualified - perhaps even more so - than those watchmakers who produce the watches. The reason is that service watchmakers not only need to identify the cause of problems (and thus need a more broad training, ... 

Difficult to answer and to give a right statistics but I'll try to give an answer.

 
 By: Mark in Paris : April 16th, 2015-12:49
The service performance is something we look closely at when it is time to ask for one and sometimes, but in a much lesser extent, when we buy a watch. To begin with, let me say that many of the questions you ask may apply to every brands, even the smalle... 

You must own two watches!

 
 By: patrick_y : April 16th, 2015-14:37
Simple solution. Own two watches... A lot of the people on this forum have another watch already. And many Patek Philippe owners have another watch they can fall back on because most Patek Philippe owners had another watch prior to their Patek Philippe. 1... 

Some frank "truths"

 
 By: MTF : April 17th, 2015-04:23
unpollo2 Thanks for the questions. To answer your last question..... Brand executives that cannot be named, from a number of 'haute horlogerie' brands, have told me after a few beers that: They do not make money from repair services despite customers comp... 

this is contradictory to car dealerships with repair centers

 
 By: unpollo2 : April 17th, 2015-06:40
car dealerships without repair centers attached have a hard time surviving. the repair centers are revenue generators that provide steady cashflow for both overheads. interesting that watch service centers are not. i wonder, would it be possible to pay a ... 

Independent Repair Centres use this business model

 
 By: MTF : April 17th, 2015-06:59
Yes. That is why there are "Independent" repair centres boasting accreditation by some brands or with ex-personnel of brands. The next questions you ask are the bulk of the replies you already got on this thread: Do you trust your repairer? What does accr... 

patek time to service

 
 By: nice2guy : April 20th, 2015-13:25
I would save my money. Dr. Kol and watch-er above seem to indicate service times are no problem. lol

Indeed, service times are not a problem.

 
 By: dr.kol : April 20th, 2015-17:45
I do not want to take the role of defending the Brand. However, I have noticed that very often the claims are originating from places from where the AD need to send the watch to Geneva. In these cases we need to separate the service itself and the logisti...