Dje
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To be honest
May 13, 2009,01:34 AM
Hi,
The fact that a watch works or not is not linked to having the Geneva Seal or not.
The Geneva Seal is mainly about cosmetic finish, and not about reliability!
The new Patek Philippe Seal will take into acount reliability, performance, precision.
I really have no clue that recent PP watches are more often defective that they used to be. What has changed on the contrary is that ten to twenty years back there was no forum to publically complain! 
Maybe also the new owners take less care? Who knows?
The increased sales have opened the world of complicated and delicate watches to new customers.
Mechanics are still what they have always been, you have to respect the way they work if you want them to work! That's not the same thing with electronically controlled engines, that generally include their own limits in their range of function! Car engines are much more reliable and easy to use today, but mechanical watches have no reason to be so!
Cheers
Dje
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???The Patek Philippe Seal vs the Geneva Seal???...
By: p@p@ : May 12th, 2009-21:28
does this mean all PP watches that have the Geneva seal (w/c is 120+ yrs worth) are now extinct and potentially "Exotic" I just read the article on WatchTime magazine last night as to what happened. Very interesting read, and highly recommended for PP fan...
To be honest
By: Dje : May 13th, 2009-01:34
Hi, The fact that a watch works or not is not linked to having the Geneva Seal or not. The Geneva Seal is mainly about cosmetic finish, and not about reliability! The new Patek Philippe Seal will take into acount reliability, performance, precision. I rea...
the Watchtime mag article on this matter...not just decoration...
By: p@p@ : May 13th, 2009-04:55
the article clearly implied that PP had a very big beef w/ GS about required testing & overall quality and not just decoration. PP had a beef w/ GS why the Roger Dubuis pieces were allowed to have the seal without all the quality testing required to attai...
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By: jgarcia570 : May 13th, 2009-06:46
hi, i read the article in watcquestion h time. it seems to me that for five year patek tried to change the requirments of the geneva seal, i think they wre very mad about Roger Dubuis and Cartier receiving the geneva seal. at the end of the main article b...
Were they really evaluated by an outside source?
By: Dje : May 13th, 2009-09:04
Hi, I mean: what was evaluated by an outside source? Certainly nothing about reliability, AFAIK! You have the Geneva Seal requirements in the PP catalogue (not the last one)! have a look! The PP Seal will be much stricter both in decoration and function s...
hi dye it seems to...
By: jgarcia570 : May 13th, 2009-13:55
hi dye it seems to me that it would be better to have an outside source ie geneva seal check the quality of the patek watches. that is the way is done in medicine. different associations look at our work and rate it ecellent or good whatever. i have not h...
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By: NJ : May 13th, 2009-15:35
I own several Geneva Sealed Pateks, most fifty years or older and they all run FLAWLESSLY. The Geneva seal criteria has been "modified" several times over the years (the last change with some "assistance" from Patek) and traditionally went well beyond "ae...
I wonder...
By: MiniCooper : May 13th, 2009-18:33
there are several other great brands that do not have the Geneva seal..... Does it really matter? I have nothing against the Geneva Seal but does it really affect our choice? cheers
