which is sad...

Oct 14, 2013,08:55 AM
 

because the label "Limited Edition" is gradually losing its meaning. Not like it had a great deal of meaning to begin with.

Through the responses, the LE tag is open to perceptions and interpretation. And watch collectors inevitably gets attracted to watches that come as "Limited edition" don't we ? Since companies make watches that are limited edition and then impose a premium on these watches. I think ethically, it should not produce more copies of it. If they do, it's like a company dividing amongst itself, overriding their previous decisions to make a piece exclusive.

Thus the emphasis is more on what follows after a "discontinuation".
It's brought up that companies are not legally bounded by anything that prohibits them from producing watches they previously called limited edition.
I do notice this with Swatch, having paid attention to these plastic pieces in the past. Their model "Jellyfish" saw a few series.

Is discontinuation PERMANENT for pieces like Ref 2499 Series, 5055, 5054 and the soon to be discontinued watches like 5960 etc ?, just to name a few.
I hope so for Patek.

For myself, I would not be happy to see new release of discontinued watches. At least not with exactly the same features because it reeks fickle-mindedness on the company's part. Not to mention that it also causes confusion.

Casio did that with their calculator watch CA-53W and CA-53 which has its roots in CA-50. (These watches are now common.)
If they had not done so, technically the CA-50 (1984) would have been a very collectible vintage digital. The re-releases ruined it. It is not wrong, just distasteful.
Apologies for lack of a better example to express my thoughts but I think the Casio example sufficiently illustrates; albeit being a company that produces mass market timepieces.








How many of us here can say that we can always be emotionally detached from this phase "Limited Edition" that comes with a watch ? That for a release of a watch reference, we do not place a greater value at versions labelled "Limited Edition" and the regular versions? The recent MB&F LM2 is a relevant example. The platinum and the WG versions. It is a mixed feeling that I grapple with. Is the blue dial platinum more appealing than the other 2 versions because of how it looks or because it is more exclusive (limited to 18 pieces) ? Sometimes it's hard to tell. Even if they are equally appealing, a "break-tie" factor may many a times be how exclusive the version is. Yet, whether we like it, one cost a premium over the other, and to some, the rational mind finds it hard to make sense whether it's worth paying the premium.  (especially when you like both equally well and it's just the LE issue)  
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Every Patek a limited edition ? Thoughts ?

 
 By: akitaishi : October 13th, 2013-10:09
Is every Patek released for only a certain number of years before it is discontinued ? Is there a regular Patek that exist since it was introduced and always in production as long as there is a demand ? Suppose every Patek is only released for a couple of... 

It is only a Limited Edition ...

 
 By: small-luxury-world : October 13th, 2013-10:23
if there is a defined amount of watches from the beginning. Even when some brands increase it afterwards, but that is another story ;-) Oliver

Limited production...

 
 By: Fricks : October 13th, 2013-11:04
... about the 5270G i cannot believe that what was mentioned here about the new dial will be a limited edition. For the simple reason that Patek never makes limited editions except for commemorations of an AD, or for some anniversary. About the advanced r... 

"Limited Edition" is a Meaningless Term

 
 By: mec : October 13th, 2013-15:07
As an attorney who represents many reputable and well-known clients in the art world, I must tell you that at least in the United States the term "limited edition" is essentially meaningless. I had the unfortunate experience of representing an art collect... 

+1, mon Cher Confrere. ;)

 
 By: amanico : October 13th, 2013-20:57

En France

 
 By: mec : October 14th, 2013-07:34
Je pense que c'est la meme histoire, malheureusement, cher confrere (?). (Just some lawyer talk between lawyers :-) )

In the past

 
 By: dr.kol : October 13th, 2013-23:19
Patek Philippe watches were limited production pieces. Nowadays the total output of PP is so huge that just some Grand Complications can be considered as limited production watches. Think about 5167, 5711, 5712, 5196, etc. The total production of these wa... 

Patek does make

 
 By: Time to watch : October 14th, 2013-00:04
Limited editions, however they usually won't disclose how many they have made publicly nor will they number any of their watches. Here's an example and a link from patek themselves. If you scroll down a ways you will come across some watches. all the be...  

Limited Edition ......

 
 By: tic-toc : October 14th, 2013-00:09
....... in my own interpretation, limited edition suppose to mean a small amount in a short time. But this is just so far reach now, that i also feel, this really is meaningless. Every watch company for some reason at every production every year, has at l... 

which is sad...

 
 By: akitaishi : October 14th, 2013-08:55
because the label "Limited Edition" is gradually losing its meaning. Not like it had a great deal of meaning to begin with. Through the responses, the LE tag is open to perceptions and interpretation. And watch collectors inevitably gets attracted to watc...  

Destruction of the means of production

 
 By: mec : October 14th, 2013-09:20
would be the only way to ensure that what is denominated a "limited edition" is indeed limited to the numbers made at the time of production. In the case of sculpture, for example, destruction of the casts used to make bronzes achieves this goal. The only... 

Yup , the 5500 had the tools and dies destoyed ( according

 
 By: watch-guy.com : October 14th, 2013-13:12
to PP) so limited edition. Also 5105 limited edition but who knows if they will release more case and movements of the 9-90 pagoda 5500 ref 5105 ...