Dear Dean, your indeed addressed a weak point - BUT ...MORE!

Sep 12, 2014,01:18 AM
 

you mentioned a core issue (not only with Zenith) in your post: "complete lack of direction, innovation, and cohesion"


I share to some extend your sentiment. There was a lot of (abrupt) change, revolution, lack of consistency in the last decade at Zenith. What I'd like to mention though is that there at least was a consistency within the reigns of the then CEO's, i.e., there are clearly identifiable 'Nataf' and 'Dufour' Zeniths.

That aside, what's bothering for a lot of collectors is that diverse CEO actually can have such an influence (at Zenith) which clearly exceeds the boundaries of single collections. 

My question would be 'WHY'?

(An) answer: because the owners do not have a clearly focussed and targeted strategy for the brand. So they try it with reinventing the company through a trial-and-error approach. And this is which appears to the outside world as a "complete lack of direction, innovation, and cohesion", and in fact I think this is correct.

Compare this to brands like Omega, Patek Philippe, Vacheron Constantin or Breguet - clear focus, intact consistency, correct?

I see however positive signs at the HQs in Le Locle. Mr Dufour brought Zenith (closer) back to the tracks of the ancestors, and now we have Mr Magada who comes from Breitling - a company with a very clear and coherent long term focus on sports watches. Thus I am positive that Mr Magada will do his best to further hone and streamline Zenith into a brand with a face.

I have heard (again, nothing confirmed and thus to be taken with a grain of salt!) that at LMVH the watch brands will be positioned as such:

- Tag Heuer: entry level sports watches, no high end creations anymore
- Hublot: the fun, sports watch
Zenith: the 'master class', the high end complication/innovation power house.

If that turns out to be the case I am more than positive that 'direction, innovation, and cohesion' will be properly addressed very soon. El Primero is great, but certainly not enough (anymore) to qualify for master class...

Lastly, I personally to not read to much into the Sellita adventure. Its (supposedly) history, and this for a good reason. It hurt the brand image (at least among collectors) without having ever the chance to return investments above the damage accrued. Can you sell that many Type 20 Extra Special? I doubt it.

Lot's of brands, even the most consistent ones, have their outliers - remember Vacheron Constantin and their Valjoux 861-driven Medicus with its cam/lever design? Sub-par in respect to the brand identity... But still they did offer it even in expensive platinum skeletonised editions...



Thus, and to finish, the jury on Zenith is still out, and I have high hopes with the new CEO. I will monitor the brand intensively over the next months and see how it develops.

Cheers,
Magnus



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NEWS: A little bird told me a secret rumor you all will LOVE!!!

 
 By: Ornatus-Mundi : September 10th, 2014-05:58
that is: SW300 is history at Zenith! A most controversial move for Zenith (discussions here and here ) seems to be revoked . If that is true - what a start for new CEO Aldo Magada ! Cheers, Magnus This message has been edited by Ornatus-Mundi on 2014-09-1...  

They are and will be: 'Extra Special' ;-) [nt]

 
 By: Ornatus-Mundi : September 10th, 2014-06:17
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So now buy one?

 
 By: Senmen : September 10th, 2014-06:09
Well, that would be cool if true. But then: Should I buy? Greetz Oliver

positive ,-) [nt]

 
 By: Ornatus-Mundi : September 10th, 2014-06:18

Hmmm

 
 By: Spellbound : September 10th, 2014-06:17
Seems like a bit of a mess up. It's all too late for me, I have turned my back on modern Zenith for their complete lack of direction, innovation, and cohesion. I recently sold all my 5 Zenith pieces. I have absolutely no faith in a JCB puppet. Dean

Very happy to read you here again dear Dean....

 
 By: Ares501 - Mr Green : September 10th, 2014-09:42
.....and not only here on zenith forum I sincerely hope Yours D

Thanks old friend

 
 By: Spellbound : September 10th, 2014-11:31
Not had much time to delve recently as I change my career completely after 25 yrs in derivatives, now setting up a dot com. Collection going through a complete transformation. Reveal will come soon, but may surprise. No Zeniths as they disappoint, but mor... 

Dear Dean

 
 By: Ares501 - Mr Green : September 10th, 2014-11:47
Looking forward "innovations" No matter how big disappointment is I hope you left Type 20 in stable From mentioned I 'm most interested in your GP choice the forum flourished since blomman took it which just reignited fiercely for GP Yours Damjan P.S. Nee... 

Dear Dean, your indeed addressed a weak point - BUT ...MORE!

 
 By: Ornatus-Mundi : September 12th, 2014-01:18
you mentioned a core issue (not only with Zenith) in your post: "complete lack of direction, innovation, and cohesion" I share to some extend your sentiment. There was a lot of (abrupt) change, revolution, lack of consistency in the last decade at Zenith....  

Extremely keen observations

 
 By: Spellbound : September 12th, 2014-06:39
I thank you Magnus for some very keen observations and am enthused by your optimism. However much of what I am seeing at Zenith is so very typical of a large French conglomerate. I recognise this having worked for French banks in many countries for over 2... 

Done!

 
 By: Senmen : September 10th, 2014-06:52
Well, just put one on hold with my AD.... Oliver

Wow...

 
 By: hanz079 : September 10th, 2014-08:39
Will this signal the demise of this particular reference and also the captain models that are also fitted with the sellita? Or will production continue and offering the same watch but with an elite movement and a price revision?

+1 . . .

 
 By: Dr No : September 11th, 2014-11:13
. . . and issued none too soon, as well . . .

That's a quick 180!

 
 By: jmpTT : September 10th, 2014-11:17
Although the reputation hit amongst collectors is not 100% reversible, I didn't see the demand to ramp up production of three-hand Zenith watches either. So this is a good move, on the balance. Yesterday I saw a Pilot Extra Special in the display of an AD... 

Really Happy to Hear that...

 
 By: SALMANPK : September 10th, 2014-12:32
Wasn't a fan and didn't do the brand any justice, if only now they can focus on their great heritage in the 60s and 70s and take it forward. S

Great news !

 
 By: flamenco : September 11th, 2014-17:47
In any case, I'd still wait and get the Elite driven model. What can I say .... Purist at heart !