It all began with an Oyster Date...

May 31, 2010,13:49 PM
 

It was spring 1990, I had just aquired what was then my dream watch, a steel Rolex Datejust ref 16210, on jubilee bracelet, with white dial and gold Romans. It was fantastically expensive, at £950. I had just qualified, and my salary was a huge £7,000 per year, LOL. So to protect my investment I decided to buy an Oyster Date precision, used.

Dealers were in my opinion asking too much at £400, and a freind of mine told me try an auction. So off I went to Christies. Sure enough they had plenty of Oyster Dates, and watches I had never heard of. surely Rolex and Carier were the summit of fine watch making, after all it takes a year to make a rolex! ;-0 ( I did get my watch...for £265 incl of commision!).

They day I went to bid changed my life forever.  You see the most expensive watch in the auction was NOT a Rolex. It was a what? A Patek Philip? never heard of them... the watch went for £55,000. My fathers house was only £45,000 and even a nice house in London was only £63,000. But what a watch....

I fell in love, it was beautiful, gorgeous. From what ever angle you looked at it, it was perfect. It was also one of the most complicated watches I ever saw, the calendar did not even need changing, it even had a moonphase, it was of course a ref.2499

 

This message has been edited by imran in london on 2010-05-31 13:50:23




Once smitten, all I could dream was that one day I would love to own this watch. i began to research Patek Philippe (not Philip LOL), and soon realised that this was indeed a very special watch. It was perhaps in its day the most complicated serial production watch made by any company. Not only that, but the finishing of the movement was amazing. This was indeed the height of watch collecting, the epitome of excellence, then came the bad news....only 349 pieces. it was made on average in less than ten pieces per year...

Still, I would work hard and this would by my goal....the dream....



But  of course this was not just my goal, but of every watch collector, the prices just kept going up. It seemed to running away from me, never to be caught. My attention turned to the new 3970. Aesthetically, it was the smaller brother of the 2499, and carried one big advantage, you could buy it in platinum.

So in 1997, I was so close, to getting it hurts. The 3970p,  was ...you will cry when I tell you..£26,000, used. I tried to do the deal, but the dealer would not give more than £12,000 for TWO Rolex Comex, a 5514 and 1665. I pulled out, I thought my peces are woth atleast £14,000 LOL.

For a time I began to regret missing out on the 3970p. Prices began to firm up for 3970 and once again, I felt that my dream Patek would run away from me. Still, you could buy new and it was just a matter of time and saving and selling the wife and kids and I would get there.

Then another bombshell, but this time in a good way... Basel, Patek, 5970. OMG OMG it was amazing.....

I fell totally in love, even more than the 2499, I could not believe it. Rose and white no platinum......I decided to wait..and hope

Then the rumours began, no more Lemania, no more 5970...especially as Patek released the 5971p followed by one year production only of yellow. I began to realise that the wait had failed...there probably will not be any 5970p.

Then about six months before Basel 2009, a close freind and dealer told me of a rumour....that there would a very limited 5970p. What to do......dare one sell most of the collection to fund a watch based on a rumour?

Held my breath....went back to Christies...and in they went. About 2 weeks before Basel, I got very strong feedback..YES YES YES..there would be a 5970P! then the next hurdle....trying to get one.

There was a new manager at PPin new Bond Street, I asked merely to be put on the list, (okay and a lot of begging! LOL)

As the year passed and we went into 2010, I did begin to wonder if it would ever happen.... then it did,

Imran, your watch has arrived.......................

HOLY COW....

and here it is, my pictures are lousy LOL, perhaps its the hand shake every time I wear it..

 


 


With the other unobtainiums, the Daytona and Dino..LOL


Compulsory hairy arm shot


The 5970p has exceeded all expectations. Aestheically I love it more than the 2499, movement finish is better on the 2499 however, but thats just nit picking.

I love the old school screwback and the contrast in finishes.



 











It' s taken twenty years for me to finally get my PP perp.cal chronograph, but definately been worth the wait. Its also, something that to be honest I never gave up on. It has in all honesty been possible due to the dramatic increase in prices of vintage Rolex that has made this possible. Also a very understanding wife..;-)

Am I happy...LOL do you need to ask, I feel humbled and priveledged.

Thanks, Ed.

This message has been edited by imran in london on 2010-05-31 14:27:03 This message has been edited by Dje on 2010-06-01 00:48:07 This message has been edited by Dje on 2010-06-02 09:36:38


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Considering.....

 
 By: MiniCooper : May 31st, 2010-13:54
the price..... You got a deal....... However, you got addicted to horology.... So, money wise, you lost.... but enjoyment..... As a well known credit card ad says..... Priceless.... Cheers

I have the feeling we took the same way, and we're a lot, IMO.

 
 By: amanico : May 31st, 2010-13:54
With Time passing, another phenomenon occured. We managed to make simple watches coexist with complicayed watches, passing from one to another... Something which is much harder to do with Houses... Very nice sotry, my friend. I still remember your nice 55... 

An inspiring story...

 
 By: fernando : May 31st, 2010-20:33
and a wonderful climax! Enjoy your 5970P in great health! Now the question is ....what next? Cheers fernando

LOL, why make it easy.....why not a 5131 hahahha..

 
 By: Miranda : June 1st, 2010-14:49
actually next on the dream hit list, I want to replace the Nautilus I sold to get the 5970p, so next fingers croseed, the 5276a!

thanks

 
 By: DLee68 : May 31st, 2010-21:15
thank you for sharing a very nice story

congrats!

 
 By: Roni M : May 31st, 2010-22:13

Once again: WELL DONE!

 
 By: tempus : May 31st, 2010-22:52
Congratulations, enjoy your beautiful piece. I can't imagine it will become better than this. Very curious how the next perpetual calendar chrono will look like wich is still to come. I don't think it will arrive next fair, but who knows? Wear it in good ... 

SO recognizable

 
 By: Bruno.M1 : June 1st, 2010-00:08
Thanks for sharing this piece of history. I went the same way, almost the same way. My first one was a Rolex submariner which costed me 2 years of work LOL. I still went to school and earned some money during weekends ( working as dishwasher in a restaura... 

A story of passion

 
 By: Dje : June 1st, 2010-00:47
Hi, I'm very happy for you. I would be very happy for anybody acquiring a 5970P, but I'm obviously even happier after reading the wonderful story of your horological quest. The 5970P seems truly deserved in your case. It is also my favourite modern PP (wi... 

Imran, my hearty congratulations to you..........

 
 By: Topcat30093 : June 1st, 2010-03:21
Your story on how you started and slowly progressed to achieving your goal, was a lovely one. I wish you many years of hapiness, you deserve it after your patience as well as I suspect your wife's (similar to mine!!)

Imran...congratulations

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : June 1st, 2010-03:58
What a fabulous story. Wear it in good health and happiness. Some watch to have on your wrist. If you are based in London, maybe one day you will show me??

Congratulation

 
 By: essence : June 1st, 2010-07:25
Imran, I am speechless. Anyway huge congratulation to you.

Imran, a question

 
 By: Bruno.M1 : June 1st, 2010-07:23
In 1990 the watch was more or less 55K (£) and a house in London was 63K Today we find a 2499 for more or less £ 250K , how much for the house in London ? I just would like to know if watches went sky high the last decades (which I doubt)

The house is now £380-420K....:-) [nt]

 
 By: Miranda : June 1st, 2010-14:41
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Congratulations Imran!

 
 By: emcquillan : June 1st, 2010-07:32
Your story is inspirational and you give hope to many of us. Perseverance - what a wonderful quality. Best,

Congratulations, Ed!

 
 By: radone : June 1st, 2010-11:22
It was worth every second of waiting.

Twenty years well spent...

 
 By: patrick_y : June 1st, 2010-12:30
Fantastic story! Thank you for sharing with us. And I hope that I achieve my dream watch 20 years from now. The trick is to never give up.

Thank you

 
 By: Nomer : June 1st, 2010-14:50
I absolutely love personal and passionate posts like this - a wonderful story and a pleasure to read. Not a bad watch either...

Heartfelt congratulations to you.

 
 By: boa2 : June 1st, 2010-14:52
What an inspired and passionate post. I'm very happy for you. All the best, Howard

congratulations!

 
 By: eric.vonschonberg : June 1st, 2010-21:27
Congratulations on your 5970P! That's an entertaining story. I came very close to getting one recently, but the deal fell through. I don't think I have the patience though to wait 20 years to get one. Eric von Schonberg

What a facinating story

 
 By: hans_jorgen_1968 : June 2nd, 2010-15:31
...Imran Facinating Personal Heart touching I can only congratulate you on you reaching your (final ) goal with this marvel... so what second hand PP do you buy to wear to protect your investment...? (as you started with the Rolexes ) Cheers Hans