not as meaningless as your comments

Mar 24, 2015,17:00 PM
 

As you certainly know you don't need to reply if you don't feel that what I write is meaningful. You also don't need to inject your pearls of wisdom every time I post my views about a watch.


Indeed you are being a rude. Your vague "horology" label doesn't apply in this case. You know what the movement is but this post is not about advances in horology for an already existing movement but about the new pilot watch.

What makes it special ? Why I like it ? etc. which is indeed subjective. If you want to read objective technical opinions about a movement well.. this is not the right topic for sure. 

What should I write on "how" and "what" ? This is about Basel and my impressions on the new patek. It is my post so I think that I am free to express my feelings. 

If I think that the watch is cool, avant-garde and elegant I can say so.  If you don't like how about you skip or you just ignore my posts altogether and focus on someone else? 

I don't care about your definition of Patek "purist". I own three pateks so I can still say what I feel about a watch without your lectures. 

How did I pass factual data by saying that the watch is "cool"  and that to me is modern and I like it ? I can't find an explanation for this other than your deliberate intention to follow what I post and jump-in at every occasion with a dose of nonsense arguments.  

All your comments and very negative and annoying. Please stop wasting my time and distracting everyone with your negativity about pretty much any brand, watch etc. unless is in steel and the way you like it.  So please drop it and move on. I am sure that you can initiate much more useful conversations about horology with real purists.  Leave these liking the subjective beauty of a watch alone. 

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Live from Basel - Why the Patek 5524G the #1 this year

 
 By: christianch : March 22nd, 2015-11:03
Apologizes in advance for the mediocrity of my photos - unfortunately the lighting in the patek booth in Basel was not ideal but I still wanted to give you a glimpse of the 5224G. much has been said about this strange new watch from patek - are the catalo...  
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Too bad the cal 324 is too small...

 
 By: drphileasfogg : March 22nd, 2015-11:17
Best ...  
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true but..

 
 By: christianch : March 22nd, 2015-11:32
Patek has always been a bit guilty of casing small movements in bigger watches. This seems to be the case too (thanks for the better photo) but still this was such a daring move. This watch is so modern and contemporary. Glad to see Patek trying something... 
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Is it?

 
 By: small-luxury-world : March 24th, 2015-01:43
In my books, it still works. But as always, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Oliver ...  
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You left beautiful pics in every threads...

 
 By: Mark in Paris : March 24th, 2015-03:02
it is like looking for eggs during easter eggs :p Cheers, Mark
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"easter eggs" You want me to say ...

 
 By: small-luxury-world : March 24th, 2015-03:18
I am too early/fast? :-) Cheers, Oliver
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Lol of course not :p [nt]

 
 By: Mark in Paris : March 24th, 2015-04:18
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beauty is in the eye of the beholder...

 
 By: ciaca : March 24th, 2015-17:40
...as proportions are a factual data. And it is pretty clear the 324 is small if related to the size of the case. The fact itself could be irrelevant, as irrelevant is on many other famous tool watches and pilot ones too, if this was a true "pilot watch",... 
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Is the movement too small or the case too big? [nt]

 
 By: amanico : March 24th, 2015-02:04
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On my wrist ...

 
 By: small-luxury-world : March 24th, 2015-02:10
the case is just perfect and I am fine with the size of the movement. The latter is not perfect (regarding size), but imagine what the price tag would be with a completely new (slightly) bigger movement ... ;-) Cheers, Oliver
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The first you wrote...

 
 By: ciaca : March 24th, 2015-17:43
...if you consider this watch as a "pilot" watch the case could be considered even a little "small", looking at the tradition and usage of this particular kind of "tools". Which is another thing makes it not a "true" pilot watch. :-) Regards
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What I meant is that the case was too big for the movement, and the movement too small for

 
 By: amanico : March 24th, 2015-21:43
The case. The proportion between both is not very appealing, and a solid case back would have been better. I have hard time considering this one as a pilot Watch, still. Best, Nicolas
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Have you ever seen a small pilot watch?

 
 By: dsgalaxy1 : March 22nd, 2015-14:04
This is the same movement used for the aquanaut and nautilus, so nothing special in term of finishing. Only the market will tell if it's has been a wise choice, IMHO it's look like an awful fake PP watch, but we know it's real
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case finish typical patek..if we compare it to..

 
 By: christianch : March 22nd, 2015-15:34
Any other pilot I have seen. The IWC heritage pilot was also in white gold (I own one) and platinum but the case shape is very different than the patek one. Even less the zenith that has a much bigger case and lacks the elegance of this calatrava. I under... 
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Of course that depends HOW

 
 By: Jester : March 24th, 2015-00:26
you define a pilot watch but as far as I can see, many brands produced 40-44mm case size watches of which they termed 'pilot' watches, including one of the more successful ones like IWC.
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A lot of...

 
 By: ciaca : March 24th, 2015-18:03
"True" pilot watches, in other words those were used for this kind of purpose, had bigger cases and bigger crowns for reasons is pretty easy to understand. Passing the time these watches loose their original function, and like many other kinds of tool wat... 
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nobody cares about your "serious doubts" [nt]

 
 By: christianch : March 24th, 2015-18:05
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Exactly the point...

 
 By: Jester : March 24th, 2015-18:57
I don't see Patek claiming the 5524 to be any more 'pilot' than say an IWC. In fact, with a WG case I think Patek is trying to send the signal that this is NOT your real pilot watch, but rather a pilot 'themed' piece. Frankly I don't see any problem with ... 
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Neither i...

 
 By: ciaca : March 24th, 2015-19:32
See any "problem" Other than that a "pilot theme" watch has nothing related to the history and tradition of this company as it has instead with the IWC's one. Now, history and tradition are the basis of the whole poetic narrative printed every day by the ... 
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if you go for pilot watches?

 
 By: geross : March 22nd, 2015-14:39
pilot watches are made to be big cause a pilot has gloves , usually the crown would be big so time can adjusted with gloves. i like pilot watches , have 2 one 41 mm. & one with a huge 45mm with a unitas manual wind movement. this one is replica of wha... 
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indeed as a pilot watch ...

 
 By: christianch : March 22nd, 2015-15:36
is unusual in some regards: white gold and price :) I think that in person is much more impressive than on the press kit. I hope that I will be able to get one. It might be very popular and It think that production might be scarce. I hope that it won't be... 
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Love

 
 By: el1125 : March 22nd, 2015-18:55
The idea and execution. As I don't own currently a Pilot watch (most are too large) but do own many other Pateks, this one will be a top seller!
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Thanks for sharing these pics and thoughts Christian [nt]

 
 By: Mark in Paris : March 22nd, 2015-14:59
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you are very welcome :) [nt]

 
 By: christianch : March 22nd, 2015-15:37
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I could have bet...

 
 By: ciaca : March 23rd, 2015-16:54
This post was from some platinum bracelet enthusiast. Then at the end of the article i read your nickname.....and i won the bet with myself! (Kidding...but not too much ) They will hit the target with this (embarrassing in my personal opinion) watch if th... 
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your are wrong again :) but..

 
 By: christianch : March 23rd, 2015-23:08
I suspect that your know it but just enjoy the debate :) Okay in this case at least we don't have to discuss the horological validity of Patek :) If you check the movement it is the same dual time used on the aquanaut and nautilus dual time in steel. With... 
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I know...

 
 By: ciaca : March 24th, 2015-14:46
You're not familiar with complications and other technical details, as you stated several times, but even who declares to be not interested in horological stuff but in platinum bracelets should know there's a huge difference between a dual time and a chro... 
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please get over it ..why are you so bitter about...

 
 By: christianch : March 24th, 2015-15:05
the fact that I own a Rolex DD platinum with diamond dial ? You don't like it but please drop the "platinum bracelet" thing that is just silly. if you are the expert that you claim to be remember that the DD is only in gold on platinum. I like the platinu... 
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I'm not bitter...

 
 By: ciaca : March 24th, 2015-17:05
About the fact you own your beautiful platinum day date, but the fact you affirm firmly and convinced it is an "high end" watch and that there isn't nothing better in its own category, which sounds, in my personal view of horology (and i guess not just mi... 
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yes you are .....

 
 By: christianch : March 24th, 2015-17:10
Everything you post (on every forum) is negative and about how better you feel about yourself and your choices. I didn't see your watches and I wouldn't care about your -- obviously poor - taste. Keep it to yourself and just leave me alone.
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Me too...

 
 By: ciaca : March 24th, 2015-17:09
But i don't go around telling is the best thing in the world, neither ask if is it the best thing in the world just to read "yes" :-) Regards
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What you wrote...

 
 By: ciaca : March 24th, 2015-17:19
Is already there were you wrote it. What i can buy i guess doesn't matter and doesn't interest to anyone but me I thought you was a grown adult but reading your last replies i start thinking you aren't...and that explain a lot of your questionable beliefs... 
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Great report my friend!

 
 By: jrwong23 (aka watchthebin) : March 23rd, 2015-20:15
Your photos are great and I appreciate your event coverage a lot! Thanks for virtually bringing me there Christian! Cheers Robin
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thank you Robin! :) [nt]

 
 By: christianch : March 23rd, 2015-23:09
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Let me join ...

 
 By: small-luxury-world : March 24th, 2015-01:03
with a first live picture on the wrist: It was a huge suprise, to say the least ... :-) Thanks for sharing your impressions, Christian! Oliver ...  
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Wow! It looks much better on your wrist, Oliver

 
 By: EDJA : March 24th, 2015-01:15
Failed to try it on Geneve last week as new collection was not presented yet on Rue de Rohne... My personal picks from 2015 are: Pilot, 5170G black face and 5270 both please:)
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Pilots and grandfathers

 
 By: Tonypatch : March 24th, 2015-03:28
I wonder why "pilot watches" with styling cues from the 1920-30ies are held in such high regards. Commercial airlines were still quite a novelty, and most of the idolized dare-devil pilots were in the military, shooting down other pilots or carpet-bombing... 
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good point Tony! Let me try to...

 
 By: christianch : March 24th, 2015-10:56
explain what I meant. First of all thanks for your comments - it was very funny to read about dare-devil pilots :) I think the modernity lays on the fact that Patek is trying something new. If I compare this novelty with my calatrava 5127 there are many d... 
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The modernity and coolness of meaningless

 
 By: ciaca : March 24th, 2015-16:44
I think the modernity lays on the fact that Patek is trying something new. If I compare this novelty with my calatrava 5127 there are many differences. The classic look of the 5127 is lovely and gorgeous but...very understated. It is not a big conversion ...  
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not as meaningless as your comments

 
 By: christianch : March 24th, 2015-17:00
As you certainly know you don't need to reply if you don't feel that what I write is meaningful. You also don't need to inject your pearls of wisdom every time I post my views about a watch. Indeed you are being a rude. Your vague "horology" label doesn't... 
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You expressed you feelings...

 
 By: ciaca : March 24th, 2015-17:07
I expressed my observations to your feelings passed off as factual datas. I don't see the matter :-) Regards
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So let's hope that Patek....

 
 By: Tonypatch : March 24th, 2015-23:54
...will issue a special "Dresden" Edition of the 5524? Pilots are cool! Fun fact: my, waitforit: GRANDFATHER was actually killed by a pilot in WWII.
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70 years Anniversary of our Common Great Victory in WW2 and Pilot Watch

 
 By: EDJA : March 25th, 2015-00:04
Mixed feelings to be honest... I am not sure that Soviet, American or British pilots were wearing Patek Pilot watches... But at the end of the day its only watch... Dont mix it with politic
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It is not about politics...

 
 By: Tonypatch : March 25th, 2015-00:06
....it is about Pilots! Cool Pilots! Take this, Tommy! Here we go, Dresden. So much fun! YOLO!
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most likely not a Calatrava

 
 By: watch-er : March 27th, 2015-13:21
I would expect this watch to be a "complication." The fact PP uses similar casing across the line does not make this a Calatrava unless they market it as such. On another note I have preferred this watch to be 40mm. If not 40mm then 45mm. 42mm may fall in... 
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but they do...

 
 By: christianch : March 27th, 2015-15:30
".. does not make this a Calatrava unless they market it as such." but they do call it a calatrava see : so it is a calatrava :)
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Thanks for sharing! It looks great on your wrist..

 
 By: christianch : March 24th, 2015-10:40
Great photo - it looks stunning on your wrist. Thanks again for sharing it. Great watch, useful complication and not really comparable to anything else in the pilot watches segment! Can't wait to try it on :) perhaps it will arrive at the end of the summe... 
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Or, maybe..

 
 By: Tonypatch : March 25th, 2015-00:05
...PP should REALLY be innovative in a Blue Ocean/Clayton Christensen kind of way and start a new trend. Pilot watches are so yesterday, what about army commander watches? A Wehrmacht chrono? The Eichmann special edition rattrapante to remember this legen... 
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I like your sence of humor...

 
 By: EDJA : March 25th, 2015-00:22
Wermaht chrono? Sure, with proper pictogram on the dial:)
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A lot of "cool and fresh modernity"....

 
 By: ciaca : March 25th, 2015-08:05
In the next future. I hope i don't witness such all this :-) Regards
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